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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: orzodk <orzodk@fastmail.com>
Cc: jb@jeremybryant.net, justin@burkett.cc, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs
Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2024 08:31:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <868r43z89t.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m25xz7dgvb.fsf@blahblah.localdomain> (message from orzodk on Thu, 01 Feb 2024 14:17:12 -0700)

> From: orzodk <orzodk@fastmail.com>
> Cc: Jeremy Bryant <jb@jeremybryant.net>,  justin@burkett.cc,
>   emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2024 14:17:12 -0700
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> Here is a suggestion - include which-key in core and potentially enable
> >> by for new users.
> >
> > How do we detect "new users"?
> 
> As a new user, I ran through help-with-tutorial early on. Maybe adding a
> note or suggestion somewhere there is good enough.

That's unreliable.  Users read the tutorial a small number of times,
and a note buried inside it somewhere will go unnoticed or will be
forgotten.  And what about new users who bypass the tutorial
completely?

In any case, the suggestion to which I responded was to _enable_
which-keys for such users, not just to tell them the feature exists.
If we are going to enable which-keys for some class of users, it is
IMO very important to be able to identify them with almost no false
positives, because otherwise the enabled feature might annoy users who
don't expect these popups.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2024-02-02  6:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-01-31 23:23 discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01  2:45 ` Po Lu
2024-02-03 13:40   ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-04 22:03     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05  7:11       ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 15:38         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 18:47           ` Philip Kaludercic
2024-02-05 19:17             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-05 19:33               ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-05 23:05                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-06  2:49                   ` Justin Burkett
2024-02-06 23:12                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 12:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 18:31                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-07 19:13                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-07 19:51                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08  1:46                           ` Visuwesh
2024-02-08  6:59                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 12:18                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:02                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:36                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:52                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:43                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:12                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:17                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  2:39                                             ` Po Lu
2024-02-11 12:30                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11  6:49                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 12:26                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-11 15:00                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-11 20:36                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 16:50                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 13:41                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:51                                   ` Rebinding Fn [Re: discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs] Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:55                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-08 14:04                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2024-02-08 13:25                           ` discoverability, better defaults and which-key in Emacs Po Lu
2024-02-08 13:27                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-08 13:36                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2024-02-01  7:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-01 21:16   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-02  6:43     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02  7:00       ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02  7:43         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 15:25           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-02 15:53             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-02 16:04             ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03 11:46             ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:39           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 12:12             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 14:07               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 15:15                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-04 22:18                   ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-05 12:41                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 11:30       ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 11:36       ` Moving which-key ELPA package into core - " Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-03 16:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-04 22:12           ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 23:06             ` Stefan Monnier
2024-02-01 21:17   ` orzodk
2024-02-01 22:24     ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-01 23:49       ` orzodk
2024-02-02  6:31     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2024-02-02 16:00   ` Howard Melman
2024-02-02 19:24     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-02 19:32       ` tomas
2024-02-02 20:16         ` Howard Melman
2024-02-03  7:25           ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-03  8:49           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-02-03 16:58             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2024-02-04 22:25               ` Jeremy Bryant
2024-02-04 22:55                 ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:40                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-04 23:47                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-05  1:46                   ` Emanuel Berg
2024-02-05  3:52               ` Divya Ranjan
2024-02-05 15:04                 ` Drew Adams
2024-02-04 18:34             ` Howard Melman

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