* Re: Org-Mode compared to Jupyter
2022-11-04 14:01 ` Robert Pluim
@ 2022-11-04 14:16 ` Joost Kremers
2022-11-04 14:32 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-04 14:27 ` Thibaut Verron
2022-11-04 16:31 ` tomas
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From: Joost Kremers @ 2022-11-04 14:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: tomas, help-gnu-emacs
On Fri, Nov 04 2022, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:56:44 +0100, <tomas@tuxteam.de> said:
>
> tomas> For me, this is actually the main disqualifier. There's no worse
> tomas> nightmare
> tomas> (for me) than editing text in a browser.
I hear ya.
> atomic-chrome solves that issue nicely.
I never tried, but that may not be the case for Jupyter notebooks. There are
text boxes out there that are actually a kind of HTML editors and they don't
really work with, well, GhostText, which is what I use, but I assume it's the
same for atomic-chrome.
--
Joost Kremers
Life has its moments
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* Re: Org-Mode compared to Jupyter
2022-11-04 14:16 ` Joost Kremers
@ 2022-11-04 14:32 ` Robert Pluim
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From: Robert Pluim @ 2022-11-04 14:32 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Joost Kremers; +Cc: tomas, help-gnu-emacs
>>>>> On Fri, 04 Nov 2022 15:16:38 +0100, Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm> said:
Joost> On Fri, Nov 04 2022, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:56:44 +0100, <tomas@tuxteam.de> said:
>>
tomas> For me, this is actually the main disqualifier. There's no worse
tomas> nightmare
tomas> (for me) than editing text in a browser.
Joost> I hear ya.
>> atomic-chrome solves that issue nicely.
Joost> I never tried, but that may not be the case for Jupyter notebooks. There are
Joost> text boxes out there that are actually a kind of HTML editors and they don't
Joost> really work with, well, GhostText, which is what I use, but I assume it's the
Joost> same for atomic-chrome.
Iʼve never tried Jupyter, for just textareas it works fine (and I
think atomic-chrome and GhostText use the same underlying protocol).
Robert
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* Re: Org-Mode compared to Jupyter
2022-11-04 14:01 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-04 14:16 ` Joost Kremers
@ 2022-11-04 14:27 ` Thibaut Verron
2022-11-04 16:31 ` tomas
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From: Thibaut Verron @ 2022-11-04 14:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Pluim, tomas; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
On 04/11/2022 15:01, Robert Pluim wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:56:44 +0100, <tomas@tuxteam.de> said:
> tomas> For me, this is actually the main disqualifier. There's no worse nightmare
> tomas> (for me) than editing text in a browser.
>
> atomic-chrome solves that issue nicely.
Last time I checked (~2 years ago), it didn't solve the issue at all.
There were several flavors of such extensions, including atomic-chrome,
edit-with-emacs, ghosttext... Some of those only supported html
textareas (afaict that's still the case with atomic-chrome), making them
unusable for services like jupyter which don't use textareas.
Others did support some javascript editors including codemirror (thus
covering jupyter and overleaf at least). But in addition to that, as far
as I could tell jupyter was treating each line as a separate codemirror
field, which was completely breaking the emacs workflow -- regardless of
the extension.
That might have changed since then, of course.
Best wishes,
Thibaut
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* Re: Org-Mode compared to Jupyter
2022-11-04 14:01 ` Robert Pluim
2022-11-04 14:16 ` Joost Kremers
2022-11-04 14:27 ` Thibaut Verron
@ 2022-11-04 16:31 ` tomas
2022-11-04 17:24 ` Thibaut Verron
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From: tomas @ 2022-11-04 16:31 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Robert Pluim; +Cc: help-gnu-emacs
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On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 03:01:59PM +0100, Robert Pluim wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:56:44 +0100, <tomas@tuxteam.de> said:
>
> tomas> For me, this is actually the main disqualifier. There's no worse nightmare
> tomas> (for me) than editing text in a browser.
>
> atomic-chrome solves that issue nicely.
Atomic-chrome, which is presumably based on Atom, which is based on
Electron, which is, after all, a big honkin' web browser in disguise.
One authored by Google, no less.
Thanks, but I'll pass ;-)
Cheers
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* Re: Org-Mode compared to Jupyter
2022-11-04 16:31 ` tomas
@ 2022-11-04 17:24 ` Thibaut Verron
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From: Thibaut Verron @ 2022-11-04 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: tomas; +Cc: Robert Pluim, help-gnu-emacs
Le ven. 4 nov. 2022 à 17:33, <tomas@tuxteam.de> a écrit :
> On Fri, Nov 04, 2022 at 03:01:59PM +0100, Robert Pluim wrote:
> > >>>>> On Fri, 4 Nov 2022 12:56:44 +0100, <tomas@tuxteam.de> said:
> >
> > tomas> For me, this is actually the main disqualifier. There's no
> worse nightmare
> > tomas> (for me) than editing text in a browser.
> >
> > atomic-chrome solves that issue nicely.
>
> Atomic-chrome, which is presumably based on Atom, which is based on
> Electron, which is, after all, a big honkin' web browser in disguise.
>
Very confidently very wrong. ;)
As much as "it's all text" is "based on emacs": atomic-chrome is a chrome
browser extension allowing to edit textareas with atom.
And, relevant for the discussion here, the same browser extension can
interact with similar extensions for other editors, including Emacs.
> One authored by Google, no less.
>
Isn't Atom a product of Github, and therefore technically authored by
Microsoft?
Best wishes,
Thibaut
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