From: Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: stefan@marxist.se, emacs-tangents@gnu.org, mullikine@gmail.com,
rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support
Subject: Re: Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 07:41:21 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87czr89n1a.fsf@posteo.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <837dhg1a1l.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Jul 2021 09:49:10 +0300")
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>> From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
>> Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2021 21:14:23 -0400
>> Cc: stefan@marxist.se, eliz@gnu.org, mullikine@gmail.com,
>> emacs-tangents@gnu.org
>>
>> > > That's not what happens with these services: they don't _copy_ code
>> > > from other software (that won't work, because the probability of the
>> > > variables being called by other names is 100%, and thus such code, if
>> > > pasted into your program, will not compile). What they do, they
>> > > extract ideas and algorithms from those other places, and express them
>> > > in terms of your variables and your data types. So licenses are not
>> > > relevant here.
>>
>> > According to online reviews chunks of code is copied even verbatim and
>> > people find from where. Even if modified, it still requires licensing
>> > compliance.
>>
>> From what I have read, it seems that the behavior of copilot runs on a
>> spectrum from the first description to the second description. I
>> expect that in many cases, nothing copyrightable has been copied, but
>> in some cases copilot does copy a substantial amount from a
>> copyrighted work.
>
> It cannot be a verbatim copy, because at least the variables, and
> sometimes also the data types, need to be renamed. Whether the result
> is still under the original copyright cannot be established without
> actually comparing the two versions of the code. So any general
> flat rejection of the idea of these services on these grounds is not
> serious, IMO.
Not necessarily, if it generates a pure, top-level function. Someone
could type something like "Sort list of postcodes" and it generates a
Radix Sort function. And if this is part of some code that was copied a
lot, the model might tend to generate this verbatim even more likely.
Or that is at least my understanding.
--
Philip Kaludercic
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2021-07-19 17:00 ` Help building Pen.el (GPT for emacs) Jean Louis
2021-07-23 6:51 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-23 10:12 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23 10:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-23 11:32 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23 11:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-23 12:47 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23 13:39 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-23 14:39 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-26 0:16 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-26 0:28 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-30 3:20 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-30 6:55 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-23 19:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 3:07 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 7:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 7:54 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 8:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 16:16 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 16:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 18:01 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-25 1:09 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-24 1:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-07-24 2:10 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-24 2:34 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-24 3:14 ` Shane Mulligan
2021-07-24 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 7:33 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 8:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 8:21 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 8:35 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 8:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 16:18 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 16:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 17:57 ` Jean Louis
2021-07-24 18:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 7:41 ` Philip Kaludercic [this message]
2021-07-24 7:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 9:31 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-07-24 11:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 14:16 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-07-24 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-24 14:49 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-07-24 15:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-07-25 1:06 ` Richard Stallman
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2021-07-23 15:37 ` Jean Louis
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