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From: Yann Hodique <yann.hodique@gmail.com>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 09:48:17 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <y9glfue42q7i.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1dUV0I-00078i-6B@fencepost.gnu.org

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:

> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
> [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

>> Proactively contacting elisp developers to ask them if they would
>> consider a copyright assignment (mentioning the benefit of potential
>> bundling with Emacs, along with the rest of the implications) seems much
>> more OK to me.

> That would entail searching for people who are just starting packages
> and sending each one mail.  I agree it would give better results -- if
> we could do it.  But it would be a lot of work.  Who would do the
> work?  And how would we find people that are just starting
> to get contributions to their packages?

> It isn't better if it isn't feasible.

Well, one possibility would be to:

1. figure out where most of the code that ends up in MELPA lives (since
   it seems to be the target so far):

   ~/src/github.com/melpa/melpa/recipes master
   ❯ grep :fetcher * | sed 's/.*:fetcher \([a-z]*\).*/\1/' | sort | uniq -c | sort -rg
   3393 github
    156 wiki
     44 git
     38 bitbucket
     26 gitlab
      9 svn
      4 cvs
      2 darcs
      2 bzr
      1 hg

   given that the wiki data is reachable from github (via
   https://github.com/emacsmirror/emacswiki.org) that means that at
   least 96.6% of the target is present on github one way or the
   other. I'm too lazy to extract real trends, but this share is
   slowly growing
   
   | 07/2012 | 07/2013 | 07/2014 | 07/2015 | 07/2016 | 07/2017 |
   |---------+---------+---------+---------+---------+---------|
   |    89.8 |    92.4 |      94 |    95.8 |    96.5 |    96.6 |

2. use the fact that github data is published weekly as a BigQuery
   dataset (https://cloud.google.com/bigquery/public-data/github) to
   perform fancy queries on it: like what are the emacs repositories
   that went from 1 contributor last week to 2 contributors this week,
   crosscheck with paperwork data and identify who to go after next.
   An example of what has already been achieved using those tools:
   https://kozikow.com/2016/06/29/top-emacs-packages-used-in-github-repos/

That's kind of handwavy and vaguely creepy (then again, any kind of
automatic detection of what I might be doing to "help me being a better
member of the community" is gonna creep me out no matter what), but most
of the data is definitely readily available.

Yann.

-- 
The worst sort of protection is confidence.  The best defense is suspicion.

  -- HASIMIR FENRING




  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-10 16:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-08  1:59 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads John Wiegley
2017-07-08 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 12:57   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-08 17:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 22:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-08 22:50       ` Tim Cross
2017-07-10  9:29         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 15:07         ` Jean Louis
2017-07-10  9:29       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-09  0:39     ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10  2:07       ` Chad Brown
2017-07-10  9:27       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:02         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11 11:45           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 15:00             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 18:01               ` John Wiegley
2017-07-11 18:37                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  7:56                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 16:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 17:49                     ` emacs.org website [was Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads] Glenn Morris
2017-07-13 12:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-15  5:55                         ` John Wiegley
2017-07-12 16:35                   ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 23:12                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13 12:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 19:12                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-15  1:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17  8:16                         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:36         ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:32           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-09  3:04   ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10  9:29     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:41       ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:30         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:48       ` Yann Hodique [this message]
2017-07-10 20:43   ` Joost Kremers
2017-07-11 22:57     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  0:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 16:13         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 16:04   ` Improving GNU ELPA (was: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads) Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12  1:26     ` Improving GNU ELPA Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-12  2:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 23:17         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13  2:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-13  2:07             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-13 19:18         ` Etienne Prud’homme
2017-07-13 22:07           ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-16 16:04     ` Improving GNU ELPA (was: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads) Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-16 17:11       ` Improving GNU ELPA Stefan Monnier
2017-07-16 17:28         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-17 16:46           ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-17 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-17 21:04             ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17 21:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 10:08                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 13:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 16:17                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 14:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-18 16:23                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-19  3:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-19 22:54                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 14:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-18 14:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 16:20                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 17:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-19 22:59                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24 12:26                             ` Phillip Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-20 12:29 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 12:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-20 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 13:49   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:48       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 14:01   ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:36       ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:47         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 15:09           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 15:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 15:58           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 17:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-21 11:21               ` Nikolaus Rath
2017-07-20 14:27     ` John Wiegley
2017-07-20 15:19 ` Stephen Berman
2017-07-20 16:19 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-24  2:52   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24  3:05     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-25  1:32       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 21:20 ` Richard Stallman

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