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From: Ken Manheimer <ken.manheimer@gmail.com>
To: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2017 11:36:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAAT_zTHscJ8ywefzS+HUg=8A8VcBjMLfqX5rNs0vsUcfSVek8Q@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <E1dUUyZ-00040H-4q@fencepost.gnu.org>

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On Mon, Jul 10, 2017 at 5:27 AM, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

> [...]
>   > The nagging approach can just as likely alienate users.
>
> A message at most once a week, that is on the screen for a short time,
> is hardly "nagging".


That's a misleading way to think about it. If every major facility on a
machine was nonchalant about some random once-per-week notification, you
could potentially have several to hundreds per day. (I sometimes feel like
it's towards the more extreme end on the rare occasions that I fire up
Windows machines.) Righteous as the specific purpose might or might not be,
it will be another interruption in the escalating battle for users stray
attention, in which users are the losers.

A properly targeted notification is delivered when someone is initiating
actions specifically for the purpose that the notification addresses. I'm
not sure where that would be in this case, but hearing "once per week"
suggests to me that it's randomly targeted, as part of an activity that
sometimes and sometimes doesn't include the specific activity.

Ken

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-07-10 15:36 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 96+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-07-08  1:59 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads John Wiegley
2017-07-08 10:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-08 12:57   ` Kaushal Modi
2017-07-08 17:03   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 22:12     ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-08 22:50       ` Tim Cross
2017-07-10  9:29         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 15:07         ` Jean Louis
2017-07-10  9:29       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-09  0:39     ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-10  2:07       ` Chad Brown
2017-07-10  9:27       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 13:02         ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-07-11 11:45           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 15:00             ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 18:01               ` John Wiegley
2017-07-11 18:37                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  7:56                 ` Yuri Khan
2017-07-12 16:12                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 17:49                     ` emacs.org website [was Re: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads] Glenn Morris
2017-07-13 12:23                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-15  5:55                         ` John Wiegley
2017-07-12 16:35                   ` Glenn Morris
2017-07-11 22:57               ` Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Richard Stallman
2017-07-12 23:12                 ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13 12:26                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-13 19:12                     ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-15  1:33                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17  8:16                         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:36         ` Ken Manheimer [this message]
2017-07-10 23:32           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-08 14:57 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-09  3:04   ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10  9:29     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 15:41       ` Ken Manheimer
2017-07-10 23:30         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-10 16:48       ` Yann Hodique
2017-07-10 20:43   ` Joost Kremers
2017-07-11 22:57     ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-12  0:40       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 16:13         ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-11 16:04   ` Improving GNU ELPA (was: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads) Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12  1:26     ` Improving GNU ELPA Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-12  2:19       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-12 23:17         ` Nicolas Petton
2017-07-13  2:03           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-13  2:07             ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-13 19:18         ` Etienne Prud’homme
2017-07-13 22:07           ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-16 16:04     ` Improving GNU ELPA (was: Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads) Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-16 17:11       ` Improving GNU ELPA Stefan Monnier
2017-07-16 17:28         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2017-07-17 16:46           ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-17 18:26           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-17 21:04             ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-17 21:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 10:08                 ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 13:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 16:17                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 14:18                   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-18 16:23                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-19  3:31                       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-19 22:54                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 14:16                 ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-18 14:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-18 16:20                     ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-18 17:26                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-07-19 22:59                         ` Phillip Lord
2017-07-24  2:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24 12:26                             ` Phillip Lord
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-07-20 12:29 Adding advisory notification for non-ELPA package.el downloads Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 12:37 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-07-20 13:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 13:49   ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:17     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:48       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 14:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-24  2:52       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 14:01   ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 14:36       ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 14:47         ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2017-07-20 15:09           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 15:08         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-20 15:58           ` Paul Rankin
2017-07-20 17:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-07-21 11:21               ` Nikolaus Rath
2017-07-20 14:27     ` John Wiegley
2017-07-20 15:19 ` Stephen Berman
2017-07-20 16:19 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-24  2:52   ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-24  3:05     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-07-25  1:32       ` Richard Stallman
2017-07-20 21:20 ` Richard Stallman

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