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From: Stefan <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	"Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478.
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 14:32:05 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvtxane9tf.fsf-monnier+emacsdiffs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871txsge04.fsf@yandex.ru> (Dmitry Gutov's message of "Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:08:43 +0200")

> FWIW, effectively doing `reindent-then-newline-and-indent' on RET also
> seems gratuitous to me. When I reach the end of a line, usually text on
> that line is already indented correctly (automatically, or through me
> typing TAB manually),

You might get used to "RET reindents" and stop hitting TAB that often ;-)
For me one of the reasons why it's not gratuitous is because of things like:

       begin
         blabla
         blibli
       end

Go to just before "blibli" and type "end RET": notice that hitting TAB
just before RET won't help you, because you need to reindent the line
after the newline is inserted.

This is admittedly less serious for interactive editing than for
keyboard macros (and templates/skeletons/snippets), but I find the
behavior to be handy.

> The modes where reindenting the current line on RET is beneficial often,
> can add `?\n' to electric-indent-chars themselves.

Indeed, we could do that.

> For most, the benefits are marginal and they are offset by having to
> tweak `electric-indent-inhibit' or
> `electric-indent-functions-without-reindent' for existing
> text-based modes.

Good point.

> For all others, just swapping C-j and RET bindings would've worked just
> as well, and I think it would result in simpler code.

Again "just swapping" sounds simple, but I'm not sure what patch you
have in mind.  I think it's important for the user to be able to easily
say something like (electric-indent-mode -1) (and/or its buffer-local
equivalent) to recover the Emacs-23 behavior.


        Stefan



  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-03-24 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1WFSpO-0001e7-Gm@vcs.savannah.gnu.org>
2014-02-18  0:11 ` [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478 Stefan Monnier
2014-02-22 18:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-02-25  3:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-28 19:50       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-01 15:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-02 11:51           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-04  3:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-08 22:58               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-09  1:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-09 12:37                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-10  3:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-10  6:59                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-10 12:24                       ` João Távora
2014-03-10 18:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-16 22:35                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-17 15:48                         ` Stefan
2014-03-19 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-20  1:46                             ` Stefan
2014-03-20  8:35                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-03-21  8:24                                 ` João Távora
2014-03-22 13:13                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-22 16:14                                 ` Stefan
2014-03-22 20:19                                   ` David Caldwell
2014-03-22 22:05                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-03-22 22:32                                       ` David Caldwell
2014-03-24  1:13                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-22 22:34                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:37                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24 22:40                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:37                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-26 20:53                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-27  8:02                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-30 14:57                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-31 17:11                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-04-03 21:53                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:54                                         ` Stefan
2014-03-26 21:21                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-27 14:49                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-30 11:37                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-30 16:46                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-22 23:10                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:39                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24  6:59                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24  9:08                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 17:29                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:39                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:38                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-25  1:53                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  3:49                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 18:32                                           ` Stefan [this message]
2014-03-25  1:49                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  7:44                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25  8:08                                               ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 16:49                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25 17:08                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 17:31                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 19:28                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 19:49                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-03-25 19:54                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 13:26                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-27  7:51                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24 21:12                                         ` Alan Mackenzie

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