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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
To: Stefan <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478.
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 21:21:17 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140326212117.GB3787@acm.acm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvvbv3cba5.fsf-monnier+emacsdiffs@gnu.org>

Hello, Stefan.

On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 09:54:40PM -0400, Stefan wrote:

> >> > A mode-dependent or buffer-local dependent setting, as well as, rather
> >> > than instead of.
> >> We have that: electric-indent-local-mode and electric-indent-inhibit.
> > OK, for electric-indent-local-mode, which is gradually becoming
> > prominent.  But I thought electric-indent-inhibit was a variable for major
> > modes, not users - a mode initialisation thing, rather than a user
> > configuration variable.

> Indeed electric-indent-inhibit is not meant as a user-config.
> And electric-indent-mode is not meant as a buffer-local config.
> So what?  There is electric-indent-local-mode which is meant as
> a buffer-local user-config.

> So what is the problem?  Please tell precisely what feature you miss
> rather than just criticize the existing ones.

I seem to have lost the thread here.  Maybe there aren't any.

> >> Lack of patch implementing this (supposed) simple change?
> > Here is what I propose, and am willing to do:
> > 1. For electric indentation:
> >   a - Restore `newline' and `newline-and-indent' to their traditional
> >     functionality, and remove `electric-newline-and-maybe-indent'.
> >   b - Simplify `electric-indent-post-self-insert-function' such that it
> >     reindents only the line on which the self-inserting character is
> >     typed.
> >   c - Reform `electric-indent-local-mode' as a first-class minor mode and
> >     `electric-indent-mode' as a global version of it.
> > 2. For making RET indent the new line in programming modes:
> >   a - Bind RET to `newline-and-indent' and C-j to `newline' in
> >     `prog-mode-map' and possibly in certain other major mode maps (to be
> >     discussed).
> >   b - (Maybe) create a minor mode to restore RET and C-j to traditional
> >     bindings.
> > The above will leave electric-indent-mode functioning pretty much as it
> > currently does.  What do you say?

> I want to keep electric-indent-mode as a global mode that determines
> whether certain self-inserting keys (such as RET and others) auto-indent.

How is this not satisfied by e-i-m being a define-globalized-minor-mode?
With the current setup, we have a rather contorted relationship between
e-i-m and e-i-local-m, with buffer local copies of electric-indent-mode
popping into and out of existence.

What about the rest of my suggestion?

>         Stefan

-- 
Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany).



  reply	other threads:[~2014-03-26 21:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 64+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2014-02-18  0:11 ` [Emacs-diffs] trunk r116461: Connect electric-indent-mode up with CC Mode. Bug #15478 Stefan Monnier
2014-02-22 18:27   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-02-25  3:24     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-02-28 19:50       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-01 15:57         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-02 11:51           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-04  3:48             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-08 22:58               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-09  1:57                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-09 12:37                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-10  3:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-10  6:59                       ` Glenn Morris
2014-03-10 12:24                       ` João Távora
2014-03-10 18:30                         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-16 22:35                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-17 15:48                         ` Stefan
2014-03-19 22:42                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-20  1:46                             ` Stefan
2014-03-20  8:35                               ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-03-21  8:24                                 ` João Távora
2014-03-22 13:13                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-22 16:14                                 ` Stefan
2014-03-22 20:19                                   ` David Caldwell
2014-03-22 22:05                                     ` David Kastrup
2014-03-22 22:32                                       ` David Caldwell
2014-03-24  1:13                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-22 22:34                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:37                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24 22:40                                       ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:37                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-26 20:53                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-27  8:02                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-30 14:57                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-31 17:11                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-04-03 21:53                                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-25  1:54                                         ` Stefan
2014-03-26 21:21                                           ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2014-03-27 14:49                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-30 11:37                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-30 16:46                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-22 23:10                                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2014-03-24  1:39                                     ` Stefan
2014-03-24  6:59                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24  9:08                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:19                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 17:29                                             ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:39                                               ` David Kastrup
2014-03-24 17:38                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-24 17:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-25  1:53                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  3:49                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2014-03-24 18:32                                           ` Stefan
2014-03-25  1:49                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25  7:44                                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25  8:08                                               ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 16:49                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-25 17:08                                                   ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 17:31                                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 19:28                                                       ` Steinar Bang
2014-03-25 19:49                                                         ` David Kastrup
2014-03-25 19:54                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2014-03-25 13:26                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2014-03-27  7:51                                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-03-24 21:12                                         ` Alan Mackenzie

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