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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Jonas Bernoulli <jonas@bernoul.li>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
	 Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	 Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>,
	 Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Making a key undefined again
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2021 19:10:44 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvsfwo676c.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87sfwon2ip.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Tue, 26 Oct 2021 00:49:34 +0200")

>>>     (defun kmu-remove-key (keymap key)
>> [...]
>>>       (if (= (length key) 1)
>>>           (delete key keymap)
>
> That's a bug (thanks for the report), it should be:
>
>              (cl-delete key keymap :count 1)

Ah, I see, that makes more sense.

> There always is a (EVENT) entry in the keymap itself because of this line
> further up:
>
>              (define-key keymap key nil)
>
> (At which point KEY still has the form [EVENT], not (EVENT).)

Actually, it's not guaranteed.  Try it with:

    (let ((parent (make-sparse-keymap))
          (child (make-keymap)))
      (set-keymap-parent child parent)
      (define-key parent [?a] nil)
      (define-key child  [?a] 'bar)
      child)

:-(

>> Actually, it didn't make it clear for me.  I hope I understand the
>> differences between an `undefined` binding, a `nil ` binding, and no
>> binding at all, but I don't know why unsetting a key is important and
>> even less when unsetting it by making it have no binding at all
>> is necessary.
>
> Say special-mode `foo-mode' does:

[ Now that I see the correction to your code, I understand better what
  you mean by "not bound at all".  ]

> but that breaks when `foo-next-thing' is renamed to `foo-forward'.
> And even if that never happens, it still complicates `foobar-mode-map',
> which now has a binding for `foo-next-thing', which isn't actually
> necessary because an identical binding exists in the parent keymap
> `foo-mode-map'.

How common is this case?

So your notion of "no binding at all" can also be described as something
like "use the binding of the parent".


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-10-25 23:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 320+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20211004081724.6281.11798@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20211004081726.AB24621048@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-10-04  8:56   ` master 192f935 1/3: Add 'define-keymap' and 'defvar-keymap' Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04  9:42     ` Adam Porter
2021-10-04 10:13       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-10  7:40         ` Madhu
2021-10-19 18:02         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-19 18:18           ` Change indentation of keyword lists/arrays Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20 16:39             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-20 19:02               ` Tassilo Horn
2021-10-21  3:02               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  3:59                 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-04 13:06   ` master 192f935 1/3: Add 'define-keymap' and 'defvar-keymap' Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 13:09     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 13:14       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-04 13:44         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 14:34           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-04 16:17           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-05  6:31             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
     [not found] ` <20211004081727.4F24921048@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-10-12 12:47   ` master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 13:00     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 13:18       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 13:22         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 14:24           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 20:22             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 20:32               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 21:34                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-12 23:23                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 23:40                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13  3:18                     ` Moving kbd to subr.el Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 11:10                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:31                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 12:42                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 14:26                           ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 15:01                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 15:03                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 16:01                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 15:11                               ` T.V Raman
2021-10-13 12:50                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 13:28                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 13:33                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 22:28                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 22:45                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 22:54                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14  7:23                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14 11:50                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 11:56                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14 12:06                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:28                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 20:55                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 21:04                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 21:13                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15  2:07                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-15 10:28                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 11:05                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-15 11:10                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-15 11:34                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-15 12:31                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 12:39                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 13:32                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-15 14:04                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-15 14:44                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-15 16:05                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-15 16:31                                                           ` T.V Raman
2021-10-15 11:26                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 13:48                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 14:33                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-16 15:55                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 18:54                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 19:32                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-17 19:39                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-17 19:42                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-17 19:58                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 11:41                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-18 11:52                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:01                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-18 13:07                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 12:40                                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-20  6:47                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-20  7:48                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20 13:18                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  2:52                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  3:36                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  3:39                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  4:07                                                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-21  4:37                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21  4:58                                                                           ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-20 14:21                                                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-21  2:53                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21 14:19                                                                     ` T.V Raman
2021-10-20 18:51                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-21  2:53                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-21 13:40                                                                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 14:20                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 14:57                                                                         ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 15:02                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 15:06                                                                             ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 15:10                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-22 18:16                                                                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-22 18:18                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-23 23:29                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-24  6:10                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26  3:01                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-24 13:24                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-24 18:10                                                                                         ` Corwin Brust
2021-10-24 18:42                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 16:06                                                                                             ` Corwin Brust
2021-10-25 16:10                                                                                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-27 14:41                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-28 12:19                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-28 12:25                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30  6:53                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-30 12:36                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-31  2:39                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-31 14:57                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-02  3:54                                                                                                     ` New key binding syntax Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 11:08                                                                                                       ` John Yates
2021-11-04  2:36                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-04  9:37                                                                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2021-11-04 17:09                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 22:46                                                                                                               ` John Yates
2021-11-04 22:48                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 22:53                                                                                                                   ` John Yates
2021-11-05  2:25                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 12:21                                                                                                                       ` John Yates
2021-11-05 13:45                                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06 13:52                                                                                                                           ` John Yates
2021-11-05  3:57                                                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05  5:41                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-06  3:20                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 12:10                                                                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-11-04  2:36                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-02 16:22                                                                                                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-04  2:33                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-04  8:53                                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05  6:08                                                                                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05  8:56                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05  9:13                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05 10:03                                                                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05 11:04                                                                                                                     ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-05 12:02                                                                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-06  3:20                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-05  5:32                                                                                                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-07  4:25                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-07  4:48                                                                                                               ` Emanuel Berg via Emacs development discussions.
2021-11-08 23:50                                                                                                       ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-11-10  4:35                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-10 14:53                                                                                                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-10 17:24                                                                                                             ` Drew Adams
2021-11-13  4:10                                                                                                             ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-13 18:47                                                                                                               ` Drew Adams
2021-11-16  4:05                                                                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-16  6:21                                                                                                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18  3:52                                                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-18  5:01                                                                                                                       ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 14:10                                                                                                                         ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 14:59                                                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 15:22                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 15:39                                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 16:50                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 15:32                                                                                                                             ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 16:20                                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-18 16:53                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-18 21:13                                                                                                                                 ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 11:05                                                                                                                       ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-18 11:31                                                                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  4:44                                                                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-19  6:05                                                                                                                           ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-19  6:53                                                                                                                             ` Po Lu
2021-11-19  7:40                                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 11:33                                                                                                                               ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-19 12:43                                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 12:48                                                                                                                                   ` Alexandre Garreau
2021-11-16 16:25                                                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-11-10 17:24                                                                                                           ` Drew Adams
2021-10-17 19:55                                                     ` Moving kbd to subr.el Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-17 21:20                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18  6:02                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 12:46                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:15                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 13:50                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 15:50                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 16:03                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-18 13:53                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 13:59                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 14:44                                                                   ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-18 15:34                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 15:53                                                                       ` Drew Adams
2021-10-18 15:53                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 15:58                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18 16:33                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 20:40                                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-18 22:26                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19  2:31                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-19  2:30                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19  7:02                                                                         ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-19  7:48                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 10:46                                                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-10-19 13:08                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 14:48                                                                             ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-19 17:10                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 17:51                                                                                 ` Drew Adams
2021-10-19 18:06                                                                                   ` Drew Adams
2021-10-20 22:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-20 22:34                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-22  3:29                                                                           ` Po Lu
2021-10-19 12:34                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19 13:38                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 13:57                                                                             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:07                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 14:13                                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:16                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 14:25                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 14:31                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 15:03                                                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-19 14:56                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-19 14:45                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-19 15:09                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 19:07                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 19:00                                                                                     ` Howard Melman
2021-10-19 20:53                                                                                     ` T.V Raman
2021-10-19 20:59                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-19 21:50                                                                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-20 22:37                                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-21  2:54                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-20  1:54                                                                                         ` T.V Raman
2021-10-19 14:00                                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-19 14:03                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 16:05                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19 17:43                                                                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-19 18:54                                                                             ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-25 14:22                                                                             ` Making a key undefined again Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 14:30                                                                               ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-10-25 14:37                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 17:31                                                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-25 17:48                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-25 22:49                                                                                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 22:59                                                                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-25 23:10                                                                                   ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-10-25 23:27                                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-26 16:11                                                                                     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-26 19:33                                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-18 16:01                                                                 ` Moving kbd to subr.el Juri Linkov
2021-10-18 16:27                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-19  3:08                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-18  1:41                                                       ` T.V Raman
2021-10-18 11:40                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  7:27                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 11:33                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 11:53                             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 12:08                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:24                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 13:10                                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 13:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-14 14:05                                       ` dick
2021-10-14 14:15                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-14 14:31                                           ` dick
2021-10-14 14:33                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 14:36                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 12:36                     ` Representing key sequences (was: master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap) Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 13:17                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 16:28                         ` Representing key sequences Stefan Monnier
2021-10-13 23:48                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:12                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:40                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-13  8:54               ` master 859190f 2/3: Convert some keymaps to defvar-keymap Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 11:15                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:25                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 12:59                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 12:55                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 13:05                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 13:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 14:28                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 14:30                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-13 14:52                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-13 15:32                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 15:45                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 16:07                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 19:01                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 21:53                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-13 22:55                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14  7:29                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  6:48                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-14  7:41                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 12:07                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 12:09                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:27                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 12:30                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 12:58                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:28                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:31                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:36                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:41                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:42                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 13:53                                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 13:59                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 14:14                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 19:07                                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 19:13                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 19:32                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 20:01                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:04                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-14 20:17                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 20:35                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:43                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 20:58                                                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-14 21:02                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 21:10                                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 21:58                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-16 17:07                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 20:59                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-14 21:11                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-14 19:31                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 19:54                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-14 19:59                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-14 22:22                         ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-13 22:37             ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-12 19:28           ` Juri Linkov
2021-10-12 20:10             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-12 14:22     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-13 22:36       ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-14  7:25         ` Eli Zaretskii

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