From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: xenodasein--- via "Emacs development discussions." <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Cc: xenodasein@tutanota.de
Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs
Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2021 12:21:13 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwvilv8abuv.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <Ms-vAhM--3-2@tutanota.de> (xenodasein's message of "Tue, 28 Dec 2021 13:03:42 +0100 (CET)")
> It's very easy to say "the best choice would have been to fix
> package.el", and a lot harder to put in the years of work required
> to actually do that. From a purely technical point of view, I stand
> by my decision to create a separate project as I believe it was a
> much more effective way of quickly bringing about positive change
> in the ecosystem, even if the end result was to merge things back
> together in the long run.
FWIW, I fully agree and I think I would have done exactly the same
thing. On many other occasions I've basically done the same.
It's actually the standard way for things to happen in Emacs (and
probably in many other projects): you first start from scratch based on
a new idea, see where it leads you. Later on, once the idea has
matured, you may want to go back and see if it can be better integrated
with existing elements, but doing so from the start is rarely a good idea.
Stefan
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-28 17:21 UTC|newest]
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2021-12-28 12:03 On Contributing To Emacs xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 12:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:35 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 19:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 0:37 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 11:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29 11:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 12:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 13:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:46 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 14:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 20:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 1:05 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 10:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:27 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 15:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-29 15:45 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-29 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 1:09 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 13:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-30 14:00 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31 0:45 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 0:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31 1:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 1:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-01-01 7:07 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 17:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 19:01 ` Debian's use of debbugs (was Re: On Contributing To Emacs) Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 4:24 ` On Contributing To Emacs Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 12:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2021-12-29 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 14:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-30 0:15 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:01 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:43 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 11:35 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 1:31 ` Tim Cross
[not found] ` <87ee5teaty.fsf@dick>
2021-12-31 3:33 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-31 4:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 3:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 12:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-30 11:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 12:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:42 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-01-02 7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 20:17 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-12-31 0:54 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 7:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 20:52 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 23:40 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-31 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-01 21:08 ` Akira Kyle
2022-01-02 7:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 5:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 6:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 9:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 11:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 12:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 12:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 13:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 15:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-29 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 17:13 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-12-29 20:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 15:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 23:52 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-30 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:11 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:18 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-01 20:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-27 17:55 No Wayman
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 18:46 Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 20:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 11:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-28 8:41 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 10:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 8:17 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-31 4:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 10:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-01 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-25 18:49 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:08 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:17 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 19:44 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 20:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-25 20:26 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 21:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 6:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 6:28 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 6:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-26 7:34 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 5:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 20:40 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-26 21:06 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 21:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
[not found] ` <E1n23zG-0007jQ-Bz@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <878rw5kteb.fsf@posteo.net>
[not found] ` <E1n2QwI-0008I7-Ny@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-12-29 10:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-27 14:27 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-12-27 14:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 21:27 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-28 3:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 15:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 15:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 20:55 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:11 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-26 22:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:21 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 20:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 21:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 22:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 22:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:43 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-28 5:05 ` LdBeth
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