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From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs
Date: Wed, 29 Dec 2021 21:59:17 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87fsqbtsui.fsf@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <834k6rlfk6.fsf@gnu.org>

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

> So if we want to add something like that to CONTRIBUTE, we need to
> rephrase it so that it fits the purpose of this file.  I cannot yet
> see how to rephrase that, but that's probably because I don't
> understand Ihor's request in the first place: why would it be useful
> to have this information in CONTRIBUTE, which is a large file most of
> which is utterly irrelevant to ELPA?

My thinking was as follows:

1. There was a complaint:

>> - Development velocity is glacial. With releases around once per year
>> and there being no easily accessible distribution mechanism for
>> development updates, high-velocity projects or projects that must adapt
>> to a changing ecosystem (straight.el satisfies both of those criteria)
>> simply do not have a place in Emacs core as it exists today.

2. The answer to it was that core packages can be distributed through ELPA
   to provide updates between Emacs releases.

3. I tried to simulate a newcomer aiming to contribute a new built-in
   package to Emacs, but willing to update the contribution frequently.

   I opened CONTRIBUTE file and tried to search useful information with
   the above setup in mind.

4. I did not find anything useful from a first glance (from folded
   headlines)

5. Because someone in the thread pointed that frequent updates in Emacs
   core can be distributed through ELPA, I looked into ELPA section.

6. ELPA section is very confusing with this mindset (and in general as
   well).

   I suggested to improve it by adding information that ELPA can be
   actually used to distribute built-in packages.

   Note that in my last reply to Stefan I also began to think that
   information about built-in package updates should better be described
   in a dedicated section that is visible from the outline.

Best,
Ihor



  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-29 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 154+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-28 12:03 On Contributing To Emacs xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 12:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:35   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 19:02   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29  0:37     ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 11:36       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29 11:41         ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 12:39           ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:04             ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 13:39               ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:46                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 14:06                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 20:19                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30  1:05                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 10:12                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:27                           ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 15:16                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-29 15:45                     ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-29 17:11                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30  1:09                     ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 13:50                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-30 14:00                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 14:50                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31  0:45                             ` Po Lu
2021-12-31  0:49                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31  1:12                                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31  1:22                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-01-01  7:07                               ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 17:38                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 19:01                                   ` Debian's use of debbugs (was Re: On Contributing To Emacs) Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 21:01                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31  4:24                       ` On Contributing To Emacs Richard Stallman
2021-12-31  4:44                         ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 12:57   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-29  4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 14:41   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-30  0:15     ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30  6:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:01         ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:27         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:43           ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:20             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 11:35               ` Po Lu
2021-12-31  1:31                 ` Tim Cross
     [not found]                   ` <87ee5teaty.fsf@dick>
2021-12-31  3:33                     ` Tim Cross
2021-12-31  4:41                       ` Po Lu
2021-12-31  3:41                   ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:56               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31  4:25               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 12:05             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-30 11:51           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 12:09             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:42           ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-01-02  7:01             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 20:17         ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:01           ` Theodor Thornhill
2021-12-31  0:54             ` Po Lu
2021-12-31  7:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31  7:17           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 20:52             ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:23       ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 23:40         ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-31  4:27           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31  4:27           ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-01 21:08             ` Akira Kyle
2022-01-02  7:02               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30  4:28     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29  5:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29  6:05   ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29  9:33     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 11:12       ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 12:24         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 12:58           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 13:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 13:59         ` Ihor Radchenko [this message]
2021-12-29 15:02           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 15:12             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-29 17:00               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 17:13                 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-12-29 20:19                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 15:48             ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 17:17               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 23:52   ` Tim Cross
2021-12-30  6:16     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:11       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:34         ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:18           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-01 20:50             ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02  6:29               ` Eli Zaretskii
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2021-12-27 17:55 No Wayman
2021-12-28  4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 18:46 Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 20:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27  4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 11:02   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28  4:21     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-28  8:41       ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29  4:51         ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 10:18           ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30  4:28             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30  8:17               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-31  4:26                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 10:28                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-01  4:46                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-25 18:49 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:08   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:12     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:17       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:28         ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 19:44           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:57             ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 20:18     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-25 20:26       ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 21:53         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26  6:15           ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27  4:14           ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26  6:28         ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  6:56           ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-26  7:34             ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27  4:14               ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27  5:04                 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26  7:50             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 20:40               ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-26 21:06                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 21:33                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27  4:15                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:27                       ` Philip Kaludercic
     [not found]                         ` <E1n23zG-0007jQ-Bz@fencepost.gnu.org>
     [not found]                           ` <878rw5kteb.fsf@posteo.net>
     [not found]                             ` <E1n2QwI-0008I7-Ny@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-12-29 10:42                               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30  4:28                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 14:13                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-27 14:27                   ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-12-27 14:36                     ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 21:27                   ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-28  3:24                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 15:30             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 15:29           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 20:55             ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:11               ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-26 22:55                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:21               ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:24                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 20:16                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 21:48               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 22:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 22:15                   ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27  4:15                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:43                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28  4:21                     ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-28  5:05                       ` LdBeth

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