From: Theodor Thornhill <theo@thornhill.no>
To: Akira Kyle <akira@akirakyle.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: On Contributing To Emacs
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 22:01:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <875yr5lsdg.fsf@thornhill.no> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAPWcbYEUZVP52UYQkGMZjf5rDC_Xsnf5RCk=czovEwxRN0PQgA@mail.gmail.com>
Akira Kyle <akira@akirakyle.com> writes:
> On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 11:30 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>>
>> > It is really a shame that this process is so time consuming and
>> > discouraging for someone like me.
>>
>> The word "shame" doesn't belong here IMO, or at least it isn't the
>> copyright assignment process that should be ashamed. Blame the
>> ridiculous software copyright issues and large corporations that are
>> behind those, and also dishonest people and companies which use free
>> software without making their code freely available.
>>
[...]
> Sorry for the additional noise this caused, I just thought it would be
> important to voice my frustrations here so that the viewpoint from
> someone trying to become a newer contributor is heard. My impression
> is that such viewpoints are underrepresented on this list.
Agreed. I don't see it as insignificant either. In my experience, my
employers have been accomodating, but always confused, as none of them
ever received such a request. They view it as a hassle, and usually
have delayed it for a long time. I even had to go several rounds with
the clerk in some minor issue that required the ceo of $employer to read
and sign things multiple times. Surely that was my fault, but still
embarassing and aggravating.
One other thing noone seems to mention is that when you change jobs, you
have to do it all over again. Having to go over this in a new job while
trying to settle in socially and professionally is suboptimal. I'm
lucky my latest employer has no such "we own your free time as well as
work time" clause, so I don't have to do all over again.
I also don't view this as tangential to emacs development, as this is a
major hurdle for many people to contribute.
Just my two cents.
Theo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-12-30 21:01 UTC|newest]
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2021-12-28 12:03 On Contributing To Emacs xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 12:13 ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:35 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 19:02 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 0:37 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 11:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29 11:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 12:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 13:39 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 13:46 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 14:06 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-29 20:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 1:05 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 10:12 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:27 ` Po Lu
2021-12-29 15:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-29 15:45 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-29 17:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 1:09 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 13:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-30 14:00 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31 0:45 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 0:49 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-12-31 1:12 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 1:22 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-01-01 7:07 ` Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 17:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-01-01 19:01 ` Debian's use of debbugs (was Re: On Contributing To Emacs) Sean Whitton
2022-01-01 21:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-31 4:24 ` On Contributing To Emacs Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 4:44 ` Po Lu
2021-12-28 12:53 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 12:57 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-28 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-29 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 14:41 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-30 0:15 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:01 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 10:43 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:20 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-30 11:35 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 1:31 ` Tim Cross
[not found] ` <87ee5teaty.fsf@dick>
2021-12-31 3:33 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-31 4:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 3:41 ` Po Lu
2021-12-30 11:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31 4:25 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 12:05 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-30 11:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 12:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:42 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2022-01-02 7:01 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 20:17 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:01 ` Theodor Thornhill [this message]
2021-12-31 0:54 ` Po Lu
2021-12-31 7:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-31 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-01-01 20:52 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-30 21:23 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 23:40 ` Akira Kyle
2021-12-31 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 4:27 ` Richard Stallman
2022-01-01 21:08 ` Akira Kyle
2022-01-02 7:02 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 5:27 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 6:05 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 9:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 11:12 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 12:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 12:58 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 13:59 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 15:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 15:12 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-12-29 17:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 17:13 ` Christopher Dimech
2021-12-29 20:19 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-29 15:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-29 17:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-29 23:52 ` Tim Cross
2021-12-30 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-30 10:11 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-30 10:34 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-01 20:18 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2022-01-01 20:50 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-02 6:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2021-12-27 17:55 No Wayman
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 18:46 Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 20:11 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 11:02 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-28 8:41 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-29 4:51 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-29 10:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-30 8:17 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-31 4:26 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-31 10:28 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-01-01 4:46 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-25 18:49 xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:08 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-25 19:17 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:28 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 19:44 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 19:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2021-12-25 20:18 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-25 20:26 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-25 21:53 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 6:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 6:28 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 6:56 ` Ihor Radchenko
2021-12-26 7:34 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:14 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 5:04 ` Po Lu
2021-12-26 7:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 20:40 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-26 21:06 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-26 21:33 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:27 ` Philip Kaludercic
[not found] ` <E1n23zG-0007jQ-Bz@fencepost.gnu.org>
[not found] ` <878rw5kteb.fsf@posteo.net>
[not found] ` <E1n2QwI-0008I7-Ny@fencepost.gnu.org>
2021-12-29 10:42 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-30 4:28 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 14:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-27 14:27 ` Thierry Volpiatto
2021-12-27 14:36 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 21:27 ` Rudolf Adamkovič
2021-12-28 3:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-12-26 15:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 15:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 20:55 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:11 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-26 22:55 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-26 21:21 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-27 20:16 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 21:48 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-12-26 22:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-12-26 22:15 ` xenodasein--- via Emacs development discussions.
2021-12-27 4:15 ` Richard Stallman
2021-12-27 10:43 ` Philip Kaludercic
2021-12-28 4:21 ` Richard Stallman
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