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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
To: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Let's make the GC safe and iterative
Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2018 18:38:45 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <jwv7eqvqsoe.fsf-monnier+gmane.emacs.devel@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 0b1dd3fa-e0b0-ed20-a256-dd92d1c1826f@dancol.org

> We need to fix GC being deeply recursive once and for all. Tweaking stack
> sizes on various platforms and trying to spot-fix GC for the occasional
> deeply recursive structure is annoying. Here's my proposal:

I'm OK with making the GC loop without recursing on the C stack, but
I have two comments:
1- Don't use a queue: use a stack.  Mark&sweep naturally work with
   a stack whereas stop&copy naturally works with a queue, so in most cases
   the choice is implicit/accidental, but experience shows that if we
   can choose, the stack is the better option (e.g. there's been
   various works that try to tweak stop&copy to use a stack rather than
   a queue), for reasons of locality.
2- Why do you say "We can't allocate memory to hold the queue during GC"?
   We very well can, and doing it should make things simpler (and make
   sure we don't preallocate way too much memory).

If instead of a queue we use a stack and we just push Lisp_Object values
onto that stack, the resulting space use can't be worse than what we
have now (it's just going to use our malloc-managed stack instead of the
C stack).


        Stefan




  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-03-01 23:38 UTC|newest]

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2018-03-01 23:22         ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative (Was: Re: bug#30626) Daniel Colascione
2018-03-01 23:29           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05  6:31             ` Ken Raeburn
2018-03-05 13:11               ` What improvements would be truly useful? Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 14:02                 ` John Yates
2018-03-05 17:21                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 16:33                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-05 17:32                 ` Rostislav Svoboda
2018-03-05 18:04                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:18                     ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-05 20:00                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 23:05                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 23:16                         ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:54                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 21:15                             ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-08  4:45                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08  9:16                               ` Jefferson Carpenter
2018-03-08  9:17                               ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-08 13:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 20:07                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 20:29                               ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-09  4:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-09 22:20                                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 22:42                                     ` Karl Fogel
2018-03-11 17:02                                   ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:01                         ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-06 20:32                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:41                             ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 17:13                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:30                                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 19:36                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:49                                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2018-03-07 23:00                                 ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 10:56                             ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 13:53                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 16:02                                 ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-10 18:56                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:20                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 15:48                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-05 19:05                   ` Aaron Ecay
2018-03-05 20:55                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-09 11:02                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-09 22:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-10 20:23                         ` Phillip Lord
2018-03-11 23:26                           ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 17:57                 ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:32                   ` dancol
2018-03-05 19:49                     ` Variable-width font indentation Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 15:15                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-06 15:34                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 17:09                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 19:58                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 20:28                       ` Variable-width font indentation Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 22:30                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-05 22:53                           ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  1:06                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  1:30                             ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  1:40                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  2:04                                 ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06  3:36                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:47                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:50                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06  5:48                                   ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 13:18                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:11                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:40                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 13:15                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 18:26                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:07                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 22:13                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 13:21                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 14:05                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:16                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 16:38                                 ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 17:49                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:55                                     ` dancol
2018-03-06 20:18                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:20                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06 18:53                                   ` Sam Steingold
2018-03-06 22:43                                     ` Ricardo Wurmus
2018-03-07 17:12                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 19:38                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07 20:11                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 23:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 12:33                                           ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-08 13:50                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 15:15                                               ` Robert Pluim
2018-03-06 20:52                               ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06  4:05                         ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 13:33                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 14:18                             ` Herring, Davis
2018-03-06 15:02                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 16:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-06 20:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 21:15                               ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-06 21:47                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 17:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 18:27                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-07 20:09                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 20:32                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 15:39                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:30                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08 19:07                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 19:55                                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09  8:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 17:52                                                   ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 18:35                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 20:16                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09 21:19                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 21:55                                                           ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-10  0:09                                                           ` James Cloos
2018-03-10  8:20                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 19:48                                                               ` James Cloos
2018-03-10 20:00                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 22:18                                                                   ` James Cloos
2018-03-11  3:43                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 19:48                                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 21:18                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 22:54                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-10  8:04                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  4:27                                                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10  8:39                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 11:42                                                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-10 14:28                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 13:49                                                       ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-08  4:50                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-08 13:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 22:03                                       ` Paul Eggert
2018-03-09  8:34                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-09 16:05                                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-09 16:21                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  8:12                                               ` Variable-width font alignment Stephen Leake
2018-03-10  8:56                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10 17:30                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2018-03-10 19:02                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-10  7:42                                           ` Variable-width font indentation Stephen Leake
2018-03-06 16:35                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 19:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-03-05 23:05                   ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 16:04                     ` Variable-width font indentation Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 17:43                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 18:14                         ` Stefan Monnier
2018-03-06 20:56                         ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-07  7:05                         ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 16:14                     ` Variable-width font indentation (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 20:55                       ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-05 18:51                 ` What improvements would be truly useful? Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-05 19:22                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06  6:32                     ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-06 16:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-06 17:01                         ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-07  5:45                         ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 17:45                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 17:49                             ` Daniele Nicolodi
2018-03-07 18:06                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-07 21:45                                 ` Philipp Stephani
2018-03-08 13:20                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-08 16:24                                     ` Alan Third
2018-03-08 18:02                                       ` Daniel Colascione
2018-03-06  7:48                     ` Yuri Khan
2018-03-06 17:08                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-03-05 21:15                   ` Juri Linkov
2018-03-05 23:46                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2018-03-06  3:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-02 20:40                       ` Continuous image scrolling (was: What improvements would be truly useful?) Juri Linkov
2018-04-03  1:59                         ` Continuous image scrolling Óscar Fuentes
2018-04-03  7:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-03 19:59                           ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 20:20                             ` Drew Adams
2018-04-04 19:54                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-03 21:08                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-03 21:57                             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-04  6:27                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 19:50                               ` Juri Linkov
2018-04-05  6:04                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 23:31                               ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05  2:45                                 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05  3:54                                   ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-05 19:56                                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-05 22:59                                       ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-06  4:36                                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2018-04-06  9:35                                           ` Tak Kunihiro
2018-04-04 19:19                           ` John Wiegley
2018-03-05 22:09                   ` What improvements would be truly useful? John Wiegley
2018-03-05 23:04                     ` daniel sutton
2018-03-06 20:51                     ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-08 11:44                 ` Toon Claes
2018-03-08 20:08                   ` Richard Stallman
2018-03-12 21:53                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2018-03-01 23:38           ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2018-03-02  0:05             ` Let's make the GC safe and iterative Daniel Colascione
2018-03-02 13:47               ` Stefan Monnier

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