From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:19:25 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <acc6bf97-41a7-b69d-2866-5cad6a2ece21@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <m2efo3vl7k.fsf@newartisans.com>
Hi John!
Glad you could join us.
On 12/9/17 7:56 PM, John Wiegley wrote:
>>>>>> "EZ" == Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> EZ> And please keep in mind that 2 years without any additional users is not
> EZ> long enough to prove that this feature is useless. Let's also keep in mind
> EZ> that this feature was reviewed at the time and admitted into Emacs, which
> EZ> means Stefan did think at least back then that it could be useful in
> EZ> practice. We should give people a chance before deciding it is completely
> EZ> useless and worthy of removal.
>
> I agree with Eli here. It's very hard for any one person, with their own
> particular way of using Emacs, and communication channels they pay attention
> to, to know for certain what other people are using a feature for -- or if
> they're using it at all.
What "one person"? The expected uptick in support and users I'm talking
about would have to be inside Emacs. Because that's where the most
popular and important major modes are.
And yet, nothing happened since the original feature's addition.
> Lest we forget:
>
> https://xkcd.com/1172/
>
> So unless there's a more compelling reason, like that it's getting in your
> way, we'd need a stronger argument to reverse an agreed-upon decision that's
> only 2 years old.
Let me remind you of the previous (shorter) discussion on this subject:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2016-03/msg01425.html
A "better answer", if I do say so myself, has been proposed. Even
Stefan, who objected to the original removal, is onboard. And yet, it's
not being accepted.
So tell me, please, which of these "agreed-upon decisions" are we going
to reverse? One that Stefan made and would now prefer to go back on, or
the one that you made yourself?
(Sorry for getting all political, but the amount of messages in this
thread is getting ridiculous. I did not sign up for this much wasted time.)
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[not found] ` <20171129233238.504B5204F1@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2017-11-30 1:53 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30 8:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 15:31 ` Tom Tromey
2017-11-30 21:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-30 23:03 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-30 23:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 15:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 18:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 18:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 20:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 2:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 20:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 23:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 11:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-05 0:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 16:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 23:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 17:06 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 21:27 ` Vitalie Spinu
2017-12-01 21:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 22:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-02 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 14:02 ` Tom Tromey
2017-12-02 23:48 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-01 19:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 22:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 23:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 2:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 20:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 0:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 12:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 16:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 3:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 14:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 22:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 23:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 2:33 ` syntax-propertize and CC-mode (was: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls) Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 23:53 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 16:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 20:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 20:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 16:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 22:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 23:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 18:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 21:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 22:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 15:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 19:01 ` CC Mode in MMM Mode(s). [Was: Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls] Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-05 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 18:19 ` CC Mode in MMM Mode(s) Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-07 0:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-07 19:49 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-07 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-08 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-09 15:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 21:52 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 0:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 2:24 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 10:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 21:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 21:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 5:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 14:18 ` Getting rid of prog-indentation-context Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 17:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 17:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 18:53 ` Ingo Lohmar
2017-12-11 21:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 17:56 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls John Wiegley
2017-12-10 20:19 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2017-12-10 20:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 21:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 9:53 ` Tom Tromey
2017-12-11 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 20:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 21:39 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ab846: " John Wiegley
2017-12-10 21:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 21:53 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: " Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 16:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 20:47 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-11 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 21:43 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-14 9:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 13:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-15 11:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-14 14:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-14 15:17 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-15 11:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-15 11:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-20 0:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-20 2:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-20 19:13 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-20 22:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-21 1:33 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-21 22:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-21 23:49 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-11 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 22:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 23:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 0:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 21:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 22:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 22:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 10:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 21:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 5:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 5:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 10:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 18:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 20:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 23:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-06 13:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-08 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 15:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 19:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 12:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 18:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 20:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 21:08 ` Ingo Lohmar
2017-12-06 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-06 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
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