From: Ingo Lohmar <i.lohmar@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 22:08:56 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tvx4naqf.fsf@acer.localhost.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CE07A7C8-1951-4B2D-94E6-BBAA3C75EF42@gnu.org>
On Tue, Dec 05 2017 20:48 (+0000), Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> To make myself clear: I'd like to see your changes land in a way that as much as possible doesn't remove prog-indentation-context except where there's a clear and present contradiction.
Previously I dabbled with mmm-mode and even maintained an unpublished
fork to fix some shortcomings. Therefore I followed this and the
related threads with quite some interest.
Apologies if I misunderstood or if this is just noise (in which case
simply ignore my message), but I have only seen this point briefly
raised in passing, and it appears to be very important:
1. I gathered that from what is known now, prog-indentation-context
cannot provide all that which multiple major mode frameworks
need/want from Emacs core.
2. Also, it is not orthogonal, but rather incompatible with all other
proposals (be they concrete or vague) discussed thus far.
So if we really want to facilitate mmm-like frameworks (which is
wonderful and surely a great thing to do), prog-indentation-context will
have to be removed whenever that happens.
Since it's not in any released version yet, it seems obvious to me that
it should be removed right now, or else it will be "in the wild". And
then it will be much more awkward to remove it in the next release (and
I would assume that you will strongly object to removing it then).
What am I missing here?
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2017-11-30 1:53 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Stefan Monnier
2017-11-30 8:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 10:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 15:31 ` Tom Tromey
2017-11-30 21:28 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-11-30 21:46 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-30 23:03 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 16:07 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-11-30 23:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 15:49 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 16:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 18:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 18:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 19:51 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 20:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 2:24 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 20:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 23:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 3:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 11:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-05 0:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 16:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 21:23 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 23:58 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 17:06 ` Drew Adams
2017-12-01 18:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-01 21:27 ` Vitalie Spinu
2017-12-01 21:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 22:45 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-02 2:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 14:02 ` Tom Tromey
2017-12-02 23:48 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-01 19:13 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-01 22:35 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-01 23:24 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 2:47 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 20:28 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 0:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 12:18 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 16:02 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 3:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 14:54 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 18:40 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 22:26 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 23:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 2:33 ` syntax-propertize and CC-mode (was: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls) Stefan Monnier
2017-12-03 23:53 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 8:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 10:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 11:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 16:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-02 18:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 20:18 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 20:14 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-02 20:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-02 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 15:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 16:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 17:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 19:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 15:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:35 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 16:56 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 22:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 23:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 18:59 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-03 19:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 21:20 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:23 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-03 22:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 0:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 15:52 ` Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-04 16:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 13:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 19:01 ` CC Mode in MMM Mode(s). [Was: Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls] Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-05 23:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 18:19 ` CC Mode in MMM Mode(s) Alan Mackenzie
2017-12-07 0:21 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-07 19:49 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-07 23:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-08 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2017-12-09 15:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-03 21:52 ` [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 0:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 2:24 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] " Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 10:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 16:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:12 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 17:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 17:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 19:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 20:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 21:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 21:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 18:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 10:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 11:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 5:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 6:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 20:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 14:18 ` Getting rid of prog-indentation-context Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 16:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 17:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 17:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 18:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 18:53 ` Ingo Lohmar
2017-12-11 21:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 17:56 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: Replace prog-widen with consolidating widen calls John Wiegley
2017-12-10 20:19 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 20:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 21:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 9:53 ` Tom Tromey
2017-12-11 15:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 20:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 21:39 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ab846: " John Wiegley
2017-12-10 21:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 21:53 ` [SUSPECTED SPAM] Re: [Emacs-diffs] scratch/widen-less a4ba846: " Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 16:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 17:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 18:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 20:47 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-11 21:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 21:43 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-14 9:32 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 13:20 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-15 11:56 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 14:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-14 14:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-14 14:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-14 15:17 ` Robert Weiner
2017-12-15 11:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-15 11:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-20 0:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-20 2:41 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-20 19:13 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-20 22:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-21 1:33 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-21 22:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-21 23:49 ` John Wiegley
2017-12-11 17:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-11 18:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-11 22:20 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-10 22:43 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 23:30 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-11 0:26 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 21:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-04 22:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 22:45 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 10:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 16:49 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-04 17:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-04 21:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 5:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 5:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 10:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 18:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 20:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 23:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-06 9:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-06 13:36 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-08 16:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-09 15:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-09 15:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-10 19:59 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-10 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 12:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 17:57 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 18:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-05 20:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-05 21:08 ` Ingo Lohmar [this message]
2017-12-06 9:26 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-12-06 13:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-15 15:48 Wedler, Christoph
2017-12-16 15:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-12-16 17:34 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-18 12:39 ` Wedler, Christoph
2017-12-18 14:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-18 17:41 ` Wedler, Christoph
2017-12-19 0:27 ` Dmitry Gutov
2017-12-19 11:27 ` Wedler, Christoph
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