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From: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>
Cc: bug-cc-mode@gnu.org, martin rudalics <rudalics@gmx.at>,
	Ralf Angeli <angeli@iwi.uni-sb.de>,
	"Richard M. Stallman" <rms@gnu.org>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: font-lock-extend-region (was: [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows])
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 13:01:00 +0000 (GMT)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1060320110347.318B-100000@acm.acm> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wteph7kg.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

Hi, Stefan!

Before I get going, I'd like to say I've spent some time getting to grips
with jit-lock, and I think I now understand some of the things you were
telling me.  I also apologize for getting a bit grumpy about it last
week.

Here is a diagram of the sequence of functions that a piece of text is
processed by:

#########################################################################
"*" means that the routine adjusts the region to whole lines.

DEMAND (called by display code)  <----------------------------|
      [fontification-functions] (hook)                        |
      jit-lock-function ->-|                                  |
|-------------<------------+ <is defer-fontif. enabled?>      |
|                          |                                  |
|                          v                                  ^
| |-----------<------------|                                  |
| |                                                           |
| |->* jit-lock-fontify-now  <----------------------------|   |
|      [jit-lock-functions] (hook)                        |   |
v      font-lock-fontify-region  <------------------------+---+----|
|      [font-lock-fontify-region-function] (hook)         |   |    |
|    * font-lock-default-fontify-region                   |   |    |
|                                                         |   |    |
|DEFERRED (invoked by jit-lock-defer-timer)               |   |    |
|-->   jit-lock-deferred-fontify  ------------------>-----+---|    |
         This sets 'fontified to nil, and calls sit-for,  |   |    |
         causing immediate display (by DEMAND).           |   |    |
                                                          |   |    |
STEALTH (invoked by jit-lock-stealth-timer)               |   |    |
      jit-lock-stealth-fontify                            |   ^    |
      jit-lock-fontify-now ----------------->-------------|   |    |
                                                              |    |
CONTEXT (invoked by jit-lock-context-timer)                   |    |
      jit-lock-context-fontify (from timer) -------->---------+    |
        This sets 'fontified to nil on the (extended)         |    |     
        region.                                               |    |
                                                              |    |
JIT AFTER CHANGE (called from the after-change hook)          |    ^
    * jit-lock-after-change --------------->------------------|    |
      This sets 'fontified to nil, and relies on DEMAND            |
      to refontify the changed bit during display.                 |
                                                                   |
ORDINARY AFTER CHANGE (without jit, called from after-change)      |
    * font-lock-after-change-function                              |
      font-lock-fontify-region ---------------->-------------------|
                                                                   |
COMMANDS                                                           |
      font-lock-fontify-block                                      |
      font-lock-fontify-region ---------------->-------------------|
                                                                   |   
      font-lock-fontify-buffer                                     |
      [font-lock-fontify-buffer-function] (hook)                   |
      font-lock-default-fontify-buffer                             |
      font-lock-fontify-region ---------------->-------------------|
#########################################################################

On Mon, 20 Mar 2006, Stefan Monnier wrote:

>OK, having thought some more about it, I'm really convinced doing it
>[extending the fontification region with
>font-lock-extend-region-function] in after-change-function is the wrong
>way: your jit-lock code won't always do the right thing, because even
>though you mark the whole extended region for refontification, jit-lock
>may refontify it in chunks (and maybe not even in the intended order).

OK, I see what you're saying, now, I think - if you insert a large chunk
of text with C-y, font-lock-extend-region will calculate a starting
position off the top of the screen.  The display engine will then,
however, call jit-lock-function with the screen beginning as the place to
start, and this won't work properly.  I agree with you now.

>So I will move the font-lock-extend-region code to
>font-lock-default-fontify-region where it belongs (which is why that's
>also the place where font-lock-extra-lines was handled and where
>font-lock-multiline is handled).

I think there are two distinct issues here that we're confusing, and this
is why we've found it so hard to agree:

    (i) calculating the region which needs refontifying.
    (ii) finding a safe place to start fontifying a single chunk.

font-lock-extend-region-function is intended to do (i).  The
functionality you're suggesting for f-l-default-fontify-region is for
doing (ii). 

>Now IIUC that means it'll break some/all of your uses of that variable.
>Clearly you won't be pleased, but think about it this way: it'll save
>you bug reports from users seeing odd behavior in conjunction with
>jit-lock.

OK, I understand this now.

>Anyway, as I said, for your use case what you should be using is an
>after-change-functions hook that puts a font-lock-multiline property.
>But as you noted, this will only work if your hook happens to be placed
>in after-change-functions before font-lock's own (or jit-lock's, though
>that one is much less serious).

I think the essence of the font-lock-multiline property is that it marks
a chunk of text to be fontified atomically.  Please confirm this
impression or correct it for me.

Here's why I think the font-lock-muliline way is wrong.  Taking my AWK
example again:

1. "string \
2. over \
3. several \       <=========
4. #lines."

Suppose the user replaces the backslash on L3 with 20k of code from the
kill ring with M-y.  The region to fontify now extends from L1 to EOL4
(actually, it's now L1073).  The display engine is going to request
fontification from L1034.  If I mark this entire region with
font-lock-multiline, these 1073 lines will be (unnecessarily) fontified
atomically, defeating the aims of jit-lock in this case.  What I think we
need is a function called from f-l-default-f-region which will get a safe
starting position at or before L1034.

>Also as I mentioned elsewhere, another solution is to change your
>requirement such that some of the responsibility of the refontification
>is passed on to contextual refontification: I would tend to prefer this
>solution myself (it moves work away from the time-critical path).  But
>admittedly, setting jit-lock-context-time to 0 is believed to be a bit
>too costly right now (not enough optimizations), so if you really want
>the refontification to be immediate (rather than delayed by 0.5 idle
>seconds), it's not a good solution.

I do, and it's not.  :-)

>So what I offer you is to introduce a new
>`font-lock-before-after-change-functions' which is just like
>after-change-functions except it's run by font-lock's (or jit-lock's)
>after-change-function and before it does anything else.  You can then
>use this hook to place a function that computes the extended region and
>places a font-lock-multiline property on it.

For the reasons I've given above, I don't think this is the right thing
to do.  What I think we should do is to put a hook into
f-l-default-f-region to calculate a safe starting position (and probably
also a safe stopping position).

>Do we have a deal?

Not quite.  But I'm sure we'll soon be there.  :-)

Incidentally, referring to my diagram above, the region gets extended to
whole lines more than once.  For demand fontification, it is done first
in jit-lock-fontify-now then in font-lock-default-fontify-region.  For
after-change fontification, it is done yet a third time in
jit-lock-after-change.

How about doing this only in f-l-default-f-r?  This would make it easier
for a mode maintainer to switch off this action, since he would then just
have to put a modified function into the hook
font-lock-fontify-region-function.

>        Stefan

-- 
Alan.

  reply	other threads:[~2006-03-20 13:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 102+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <E1D94Wo-0006AP-W2@fencepost.gnu.org>
2005-03-09 21:18 ` [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows] Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-09 22:35   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-10  8:00     ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-10 13:01       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-10 15:16         ` D. R. E. Moonfire
2005-03-10 17:01           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-10 20:09         ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-10 20:53           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-10 22:42             ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-11 20:28           ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11  1:48       ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11 19:43         ` Alan Mackenzie
2005-03-10 22:13     ` Martin Stjernholm
2005-03-10 22:59       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-11 20:27         ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-13 16:19         ` Martin Stjernholm
2005-03-14  1:07           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-19 22:23             ` Martin Stjernholm
2005-03-19 22:30               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-11  1:47     ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11  4:47       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-12  0:56         ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-12  1:00           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-13 15:30             ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11  1:46   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11  1:46   ` Richard Stallman
2006-02-12 13:06     ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-12 16:20       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-12 22:58         ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-13 22:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-14  7:53             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-14 19:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-14 20:13                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-14 21:08                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 10:17                     ` martin rudalics
2006-02-15 10:38                       ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-15 14:20                         ` martin rudalics
2006-02-15 14:56                           ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-15 16:40                             ` martin rudalics
2006-02-15 17:03                               ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-16 11:10                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16 11:54                                 ` Vivek Dasmohapatra
2006-02-16 15:21                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-16 23:28                                   ` David Kastrup
2006-02-17 14:19                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-16 17:21                                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-15 20:44                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16  0:40                       ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 20:56                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16  8:56                     ` martin rudalics
2006-02-15 20:13               ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16  9:02                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-14  8:18             ` Werner LEMBERG
2006-02-14  8:49             ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-14 19:05               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-14 21:12                 ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-15 13:35                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 14:05                     ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-15 14:21                       ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-15 20:33             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-15 21:13               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 21:59                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16 14:59                 ` Kim F. Storm
2006-02-16 16:37                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 19:07         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-15 21:42           ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-16 11:20             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16 11:54               ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-16 15:12                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-17  7:56                   ` martin rudalics
2006-02-17 11:32                     ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-17 13:22                       ` martin rudalics
2006-02-17 13:33                         ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-16 16:32                 ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-16  0:38           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-16  9:51             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16 16:27               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-17  7:48                 ` martin rudalics
2006-02-17 14:36                   ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-16 18:46               ` martin rudalics
2006-02-16  9:09           ` martin rudalics
2006-02-13  4:40       ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-02-13  5:25         ` Stefan Monnier
2006-02-14  0:39           ` Richard M. Stallman
2006-03-14 19:23         ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-03-14 22:11           ` Stefan Monnier
2006-03-15  8:52             ` martin rudalics
2006-03-15  9:02             ` Ralf Angeli
2006-03-15 10:22               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-03-15 11:40             ` Alan Mackenzie
2006-03-15 16:16               ` Stefan Monnier
2006-03-15 20:20           ` Richard Stallman
2006-03-20  8:16           ` font-lock-extend-region (was: [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows]) Stefan Monnier
2006-03-20 13:01             ` Alan Mackenzie [this message]
2006-03-20 17:18               ` font-lock-extend-region Stefan Monnier
2006-03-21 16:05                 ` font-lock-extend-region Alan Mackenzie
2006-03-21 21:32                   ` font-lock-extend-region Stefan Monnier
2006-03-23 15:23                     ` font-lock-extend-region Alan Mackenzie
2006-03-23 16:18                       ` font-lock-extend-region Stefan Monnier
2006-02-15 19:34       ` [sigra@home.se: C++-mode: Syntax highlighting: wrong color for function identifier depending on the kind of whitespace that follows] Alan Mackenzie
2006-02-16  9:07         ` Ralf Angeli
2006-02-16  9:07         ` martin rudalics

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