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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: "Björn Bidar" <bjorn.bidar@thaodan.de>
Cc: id@ypei.org, mailman@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:17 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1qGVJ3-0001fv-Eo@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <874jmlsp0n.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from Björn Bidar on Mon, 03 Jul 2023 05:32:56 +0300)

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  > > Features that require Javascript are totallky unacceptable if the JS
  > > code is nonfree (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html)
  > > and problematical even if the JS code is free
  > > (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html).


  > Why do you assume JavaScript = nonfree? Mailman3-Hyperkitty is free
  > software.

I don't assume that.  In fact, I said explicitly that I don't.  I said,

> Features that require Javascript are totallky unacceptable if the JS
> code is nonfree (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html)
> and problematical even if the JS code is free
> (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html).

You're arguing against a moral issue based on practical convenience.
For the free software movement, moral issues are the most important.

  > Besides avoiding JavaScript in modern web is impossible in 99% of the
  > cases besides for websites that load all of [what they display] synchronously
  > on the initial load of the page.

Web sites hand a method for handling that in 2000: divide the material
into pages in a sensible way, and show each page completely when the user
goes there.

  > You can't modify code... that is loaded of from other computers,

That ie exactly the problem I mentioned.  This is why it is bad
for web sites to send code to execute in the user's browser.

  > the entity that hosts a web application such as Hyperkitty is in control
  > which JavaScript is shipped.

Yes, exactly.  That why Hyperkitty is fundamentally morally flawed.




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  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-07-04  1:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 364+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-16 11:20 Android port of Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 13:03 ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 13:17   ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 15:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-16 15:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 16:34     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-16 19:34       ` Bob Rogers
2023-06-16 23:46       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  2:10       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-17  0:49     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17  6:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  9:28         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17 13:34         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 16:47           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 18:11             ` contributing to Emacs Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 18:36               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 19:39                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:00                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:10                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:19                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:26                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 22:25                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 22:39                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  5:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  8:53                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:01                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  9:23                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:25                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:04                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:07                                           ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  9:57                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  9:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:21                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:00                                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-18 13:29                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-06-18 22:46                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19  2:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:18                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 21:16                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18 10:00                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 10:15                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-23  6:49                                         ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24 15:37                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-25  7:40                                             ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-25 11:32                                               ` Setting 'vc-default-patch-addressee' in .dir-locals.el Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 12:13                                       ` contributing to Emacs Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:26                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:43                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 14:57                                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 16:29                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 18:52                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 19:10                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 19:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 20:10                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19  2:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19  6:05                                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 18:07                                                         ` David Masterson
2023-06-19 18:50                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 21:29                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19 22:49                                                               ` David Masterson
2023-06-20 11:14                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 15:45                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-20 16:14                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 16:32                                                                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-06-20 16:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 19:49                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24  1:44                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-24  3:10                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-24  7:00                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  7:54                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-25  2:25                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25 16:41                                                                         ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-25 23:31                                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-26 16:47                                                                             ` Ian Kelling
2023-06-27 11:08                                                                             ` Yuchen Pei
2023-06-27 13:52                                                                               ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-28  4:33                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-29  3:03                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-03  2:32                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2023-07-03  4:25                                                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-07-05  2:07                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-04  1:58                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2023-07-05 13:19                                                                                 ` Yuchen Pei
2023-07-09  2:53                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-27  1:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-28  2:18                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 16:24                                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-20 16:33                                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 22:47                                                             ` David Masterson
2023-06-20  1:17                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-20  2:24                                                                 ` David Masterson
2023-06-20  7:01                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-21  0:51                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-21  4:13                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-21  4:23                                                                   ` David Masterson
2023-06-23  1:47                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23  2:28                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:25                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 11:20                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  8:34                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  8:58                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  0:50                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-20  2:55                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20  3:39                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-21  9:20                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-22  1:56                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-22  2:23                                     ` Po Lu
2023-06-22  7:47                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-22  7:59                                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-22  8:38                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-20 11:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 21:44                         ` chad
2023-06-18  9:26                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:30                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:00                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:57                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  8:59                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18  9:30                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:34                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:13                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:27                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:44                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:59                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:14                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 11:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:54                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 12:24                                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 15:20                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:54                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:11                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:10                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:28                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:02                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:32                                     ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:50                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:12                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:22                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:09                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:29                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:55                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:33                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:30                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:57                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-23  6:51                           ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23  7:06                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-23  7:14                               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23  7:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  7:21                               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24  7:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 12:36                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 14:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 16:17                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 17:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-25  7:39                                   ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-18  9:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:19                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:50                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:29                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 15:49 ` Android port of Emacs Thomas Fitzsimmons
2023-06-16 16:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 23:45   ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 21:19 ` chad
2023-06-17  0:11   ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  6:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  6:38       ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  6:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:08           ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:41               ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  8:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  9:36             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17  9:57               ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  7:33           ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-30 22:09       ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-06-17  6:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  6:57     ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:10       ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:33         ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:54           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17  8:02             ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  8:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 16:47             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  0:36               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19  2:13               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-19  7:51             ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-06-19  8:22               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 16:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 17:54               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  1:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  1:24       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  2:07         ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-20 13:29           ` Po Lu
2023-06-22 22:49             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23  0:22               ` Po Lu
2023-06-23  7:37                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23  8:52                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-26 15:18                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-27  0:39                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 14:13                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-24 12:17             ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-24 13:01               ` Po Lu
2023-06-24 13:57                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25  0:07                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:02                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25  4:04                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 19:02                         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02  5:09                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 12:50                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:15                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 13:54                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 23:56                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:16                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 15:45                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 16:29                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 17:28                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 18:48                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 23:53                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 23:51                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 12:34                               ` Jean Louis
2023-07-04 15:46                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-05  0:18                                   ` Jean Louis
2023-07-11 20:53                                   ` Bryce
2023-07-02  9:31                         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-02 11:29                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 14:52                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-07-02 15:26                             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-03  0:03                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 18:59                                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-06-25  4:45                       ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-25  5:56                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 10:07                           ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-25 10:21                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 11:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-26  6:11                               ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-18  2:46         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  3:05           ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 22:35             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-19  0:39               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 12:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  5:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  5:48         ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  7:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 22:26         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-21  0:50       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-21 11:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23  1:47           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23  7:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23  9:05               ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 10:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23 11:38                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 12:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  1:19                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-24  6:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 15:19                           ` Robert Pluim
2023-06-24 18:56                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-06-25  0:12                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-29 20:34                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2023-06-30  0:35                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-30  3:21                             ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-30  4:54                             ` Jean Louis
2023-06-24  1:39                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-24  7:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 22:23                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-25  0:10                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-25  4:15                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  5:10                             ` Jean Louis
2023-06-25  5:57                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-30  4:57                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-06-30  5:12                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 12:27                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-06-26  2:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23 12:33               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-24  7:30               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-25  2:25               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25  2:40                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-27  1:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25  5:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-27  1:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-17 23:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-18  0:42   ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  6:20     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-18  6:56       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 22:53         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-19  0:34           ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 14:27             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-21  0:52               ` Richard Stallman
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2023-06-20  5:57                 ` chad
2023-06-20 11:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-21  9:19                 ` Gregory Heytings
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2023-07-01 14:35       ` Stefan Monnier
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2023-07-02 15:43           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-13 13:55             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 16:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-13 23:55                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17  1:50                 ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 11:28                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-10 12:50                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 13:26                   ` Eric S Fraga
2023-08-10 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 13:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-02  9:00       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
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2022-09-08 16:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-07 21:33 ` Christopher Dimech
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2022-09-08 11:57     ` Christopher Dimech
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2022-09-08 13:11         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 13:25           ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 13:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-08 14:13               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 14:48                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-08 15:21             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 12:12     ` Christopher Dimech
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2022-09-08 14:49         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 14:55           ` Visuwesh
2022-09-08 15:16             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 15:24               ` Robert Pluim
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2022-09-08 15:39                   ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 16:43                     ` Christopher Dimech
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2022-09-08 16:38                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 16:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
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