From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Richard Stallman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:17 -0400 Message-ID: References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <339b006829e123a3f6eeaffbd66f557ea837fdcd.camel@yandex.ru> <87y1kgdax7.fsf@web.de> <83o7lc91kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87leggd2cu.fsf@web.de> <83ilbk8u1k.fsf@gnu.org> <448f75fb368e4ae61dd8bd7899047602a806228a.camel@yandex.ru> <83h6r48a02.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt0v70d3.fsf@gnu.org> <03bef840fc28d46a2ffbf9c94c18a3cbf96de08f.camel@yandex.ru> <83cz1q75do.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7la5cw0.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0q1my6k.fsf@thaodan.de> <87mt0nktkv.fsf@thaodan.de> <87ilb9p3g5.fsf@ypei.org> <874jmlsp0n.fsf@thaodan.de> Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="6854"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: id@ypei.org, mailman@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jul 04 03:59:23 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qGVK6-0001XE-Uo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 04 Jul 2023 03:59:23 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGVJ7-0006xV-Tw; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:21 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGVJ6-0006uQ-38; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:20 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGVJ4-0004ux-LI; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=xf08OLNhhw2R1Fe23HxkxC6uXrWtJJrnHZi95pkr7AE=; b=D3fOi9gYlcUp xkIAvZ3ocQB1n2hW/BiuwNu4Au98kVGBeIq7pYGnEPVmbh6AKaBGYc2wr8js2U+EvCulk7hHuQ+zm lGn/fGXvz7WnRttO9HkTTBRN7Bk0zxE+U4Fjb44fxGEmqrpQBQvv5dRkpfT+d0WRJn+EFcpmwcskI msCpnse9mhkcc4NtCuvjY1EYuGeNohhfFNsk03MmU9+5quwlyEGB7vSqyYF06WStHWCnU7Gr3k65m /ffQZToAI2ioj3aDL+dRyCZwop3nl5isaMcd1xc9q31lli9iyxHZoJySDpp3ifxWI58SGzExe8KpG 3x3ws+ERt6isRZJ3bOzhiw==; Original-Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qGVJ3-0001fv-Eo; Mon, 03 Jul 2023 21:58:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <874jmlsp0n.fsf@thaodan.de> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bj?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=C3=B6rn?= Bidar on Mon, 03 Jul 2023 05:32:56 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307393 Archived-At: [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Features that require Javascript are totallky unacceptable if the JS > > code is nonfree (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html) > > and problematical even if the JS code is free > > (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html). > Why do you assume JavaScript = nonfree? Mailman3-Hyperkitty is free > software. I don't assume that. In fact, I said explicitly that I don't. I said, > Features that require Javascript are totallky unacceptable if the JS > code is nonfree (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/javascript-trap.html) > and problematical even if the JS code is free > (see https://gnu.org/philosophy/wwworst-app-store.html). You're arguing against a moral issue based on practical convenience. For the free software movement, moral issues are the most important. > Besides avoiding JavaScript in modern web is impossible in 99% of the > cases besides for websites that load all of [what they display] synchronously > on the initial load of the page. Web sites hand a method for handling that in 2000: divide the material into pages in a sensible way, and show each page completely when the user goes there. > You can't modify code... that is loaded of from other computers, That ie exactly the problem I mentioned. This is why it is bad for web sites to send code to execute in the user's browser. > the entity that hosts a web application such as Hyperkitty is in control > which JavaScript is shipped. Yes, exactly. That why Hyperkitty is fundamentally morally flawed. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)