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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, hi-angel@yandex.ru, arne_bab@web.de,
	ams@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs
Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 10:43:49 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83ttuxz4ne.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87edm1uxze.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (message from Sean Whitton on Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:21:25 +0100)

> From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
> Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com,  hi-angel@yandex.ru,  arne_bab@web.de,  ams@gnu.org,
>  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2023 08:21:25 +0100
> 
> On Fri 23 Jun 2023 at 10:17AM +03, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> 
> > Not in this project.  Here, the preference is the opposite one (but we
> > will gladly accept series as well).
> 
> I know, I just wanted to update Po's impression of the wider ecosystem.
                                                               ^^^^^^^^^
(Expect a comment from RMS for using that word.)

The problem with that preference is that most contributors
misunderstand how to arrange the series correctly, and end up sending
series which require extra work, because the same places were modified
several times.  On top of that, the series doesn't really allow
applying only some of the patches, which is the main raison d'être of
the technique.

To correctly subdivide a large patch into a series, one must identify
changes in the changeset that are (a) independent, i.e., can be
applied without all the rest, and in any order; and (b) changes which
_make_sense_ as separate changes, so the project might consider
applying just them, even though the rest will be rejected.

What most people do instead is they provide a series where each patch
is a step towards the solution.  First, a patch with some refactoring,
then another patch with the first aspect of the solution, another
patch with the second aspect, etc.  Such series make no sense as a
series, because the patches are not really independent; instead, they
are _incremental_.  For example, it usually makes no sense to do the
refactoring if we aren't installing the changes which need it.
Moreover, this technique frequently leads to multiple patches touching
the same places several times, so when you review the first patch, you
are looking at code that will be modified later, and risk providing
comments that are irrelevant, because a later patch in the series
rewrites that code anyway, perhaps exactly in a way that you want to
tell the contributor to use.  Basically, the only sane method of
reviewing such "series" is to apply the entire series, then produce
the unified diffs from all of them, and than review those diffs
instead of the patch series.

Since the correct way of breaking patches into individual ones is hard
to explain, and requires good knowledge of the project's conventions
and practices to determine how to break the large patch, I find it
easier to ask contributors to not bother with series and submit a
single large patch.  IME, it's TRT in the majority of cases anyway,
especially with contributions that provide some minor change or fix,
and it definitely makes patch review much more convenient and easy
than the opposite preference.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-06-24  7:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 364+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-06-16 11:20 Android port of Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 13:03 ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 13:17   ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 15:16 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-16 15:32   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 16:34     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-16 19:34       ` Bob Rogers
2023-06-16 23:46       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  2:10       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-17  0:49     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17  6:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  9:28         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17 13:34         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 16:47           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 18:11             ` contributing to Emacs Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 18:36               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 19:39                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:00                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:10                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:19                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:26                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 22:25                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 22:39                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  5:20                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  8:53                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:01                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  9:23                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:25                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:04                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:07                                           ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  9:57                                       ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  9:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:06                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:21                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:00                                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-18 13:29                                         ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-06-18 22:46                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19  2:30                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  9:18                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 21:16                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18 10:00                                   ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 10:15                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-23  6:49                                         ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24 15:37                                           ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-25  7:40                                             ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-25 11:32                                               ` Setting 'vc-default-patch-addressee' in .dir-locals.el Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 12:13                                       ` contributing to Emacs Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:26                                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:43                                           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 14:57                                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 16:29                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 18:52                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 19:10                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 19:11                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 20:10                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19  2:24                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19  6:05                                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 18:07                                                         ` David Masterson
2023-06-19 18:50                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 21:29                                                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19 22:49                                                               ` David Masterson
2023-06-20 11:14                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 15:45                                                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-20 16:14                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 16:32                                                                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-06-20 16:42                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 19:49                                                                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24  1:44                                                                     ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-24  3:10                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-24  7:00                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  7:54                                                                         ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-25  2:25                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25 16:41                                                                         ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-25 23:31                                                                           ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-26 16:47                                                                             ` Ian Kelling
2023-06-27 11:08                                                                             ` Yuchen Pei
2023-06-27 13:52                                                                               ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-28  4:33                                                                               ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-29  3:03                                                                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-03  2:32                                                                                 ` Björn Bidar
2023-07-03  4:25                                                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-07-05  2:07                                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-04  1:58                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-05 13:19                                                                                 ` Yuchen Pei
2023-07-09  2:53                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-27  1:05                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-28  2:18                                                                           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 16:24                                                                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-20 16:33                                                                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 22:47                                                             ` David Masterson
2023-06-20  1:17                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-20  2:24                                                                 ` David Masterson
2023-06-20  7:01                                                                 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-21  0:51                                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-21  4:13                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-21  4:23                                                                   ` David Masterson
2023-06-23  1:47                                                                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23  2:28                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:25                                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 11:20                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  8:34                               ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  8:58                                 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  0:50                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-20  2:55                               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20  3:39                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-21  9:20                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-22  1:56                                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-22  2:23                                     ` Po Lu
2023-06-22  7:47                                       ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-22  7:59                                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-22  8:38                                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-20 11:30                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 21:44                         ` chad
2023-06-18  9:26                     ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:30                         ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:52                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:00                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:57                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  8:59                   ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18  9:30                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:34                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18  9:56                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:02                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:13                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:27                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:36                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:44                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:59                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:14                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 11:32                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:54                                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:18                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 12:24                                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 15:20                                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:54                                 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:11                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:10                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:28                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:51                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:02                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:32                                     ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:50                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:12                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:22                           ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:09                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:30                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:29                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:55                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:33                               ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:30                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:57                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-23  6:51                           ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23  7:06                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-23  7:14                               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23  7:17                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  7:21                               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24  7:43                                 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-06-24 12:36                                   ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 14:44                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 16:17                                       ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 17:13                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-25  7:39                                   ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-18  9:43                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:19                       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:31                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:50                           ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:29                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 15:49 ` Android port of Emacs Thomas Fitzsimmons
2023-06-16 16:28   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 23:45   ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 21:19 ` chad
2023-06-17  0:11   ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  6:18     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  6:38       ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  6:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:08           ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:27             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:41               ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  8:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  9:36             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17  9:57               ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  7:33           ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-30 22:09       ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-06-17  6:00   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  6:57     ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:10       ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:21       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17  7:33         ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  7:54           ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17  8:02             ` Po Lu
2023-06-17  8:43           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 16:47             ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18  0:36               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19  2:13               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-19  7:51             ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-06-19  8:22               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 16:42                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 17:54               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  1:10     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  1:24       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  2:07         ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-20 13:29           ` Po Lu
2023-06-22 22:49             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23  0:22               ` Po Lu
2023-06-23  7:37                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23  8:52                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-26 15:18                     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-27  0:39                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 14:13                         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-24 12:17             ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-24 13:01               ` Po Lu
2023-06-24 13:57                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25  0:07                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:02                     ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25  4:04                       ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 19:02                         ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02  5:09                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 12:50                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 12:59                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:15                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 13:54                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 23:56                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:16                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 15:45                                   ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 16:29                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 17:28                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 18:48                                       ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 23:53                                     ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 23:51                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 12:34                               ` Jean Louis
2023-07-04 15:46                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-05  0:18                                   ` Jean Louis
2023-07-11 20:53                                   ` Bryce
2023-07-02  9:31                         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-02 11:29                           ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 14:52                             ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-07-02 15:26                             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-03  0:03                               ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 18:59                                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-06-25  4:45                       ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-25  5:56                         ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 10:07                           ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-25 10:21                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 11:35                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-26  6:11                               ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-18  2:46         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  3:05           ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 22:35             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-19  0:39               ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 12:04                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18  5:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18  5:48         ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  7:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 22:26         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-21  0:50       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-21 11:32         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23  1:47           ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23  7:04             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23  9:05               ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 10:23                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-23 11:38                   ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 12:08                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24  1:19                       ` Po Lu
2023-06-24  6:54                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 15:19                           ` Robert Pluim
2023-06-24 18:56                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-06-25  0:12                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-29 20:34                           ` Filipp Gunbin
2023-06-30  0:35                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-30  3:21                             ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-06-30  4:54                             ` Jean Louis
2023-06-24  1:39                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-24  7:06                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 22:23                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-25  0:10                             ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  2:26                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-25  4:15                                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-25  5:10                             ` Jean Louis
2023-06-25  5:57                               ` Po Lu
2023-06-30  4:57                                 ` Jean Louis
2023-06-30  5:12                                   ` Po Lu
2023-07-04 12:27                                     ` Jean Louis
2023-06-26  2:12                       ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23 12:33               ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-24  7:30               ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-25  2:25               ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25  2:40                 ` Po Lu
2023-06-27  1:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25  5:38                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-27  1:07                   ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-17 23:16 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-18  0:42   ` Po Lu
2023-06-18  6:20     ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-18  6:56       ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 22:53         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-19  0:34           ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 14:27             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-21  0:52               ` Richard Stallman
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2023-06-23  1:47                     ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-19 16:19             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20  1:13               ` Po Lu
2023-06-20  5:57                 ` chad
2023-06-20 11:25                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-21  9:19                 ` Gregory Heytings
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2023-06-30 21:53   ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
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2023-07-01 14:35       ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-01 15:09         ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-02 15:43           ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-13 13:55             ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 16:53               ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-13 23:55                 ` Po Lu
2023-07-17  1:50                 ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 11:28                 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-08-10 12:50                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-10 13:26                   ` Eric S Fraga
2023-08-10 13:45                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-10 13:33                   ` Stefan Monnier
2023-07-02  9:00       ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 20:39 ` Thanos Apollo
2023-06-19 16:08   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-30 21:44   ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
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2023-06-30 21:40 ` Stefan Monnier
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
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2022-09-08 16:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-07 21:33 ` Christopher Dimech
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2022-09-08 10:22     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 11:57     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 12:27       ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 13:11         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 13:25           ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 13:38             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-08 14:13               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 14:48                 ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-08 15:21             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 12:12     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 13:47       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-08 14:49         ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 14:55           ` Visuwesh
2022-09-08 15:16             ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 15:24               ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 15:34                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 15:37                   ` Visuwesh
2022-09-08 15:39                   ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-08 16:43                     ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 16:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-08 16:38                 ` Christopher Dimech
2022-09-08 16:08           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-09 15:09 ` Stefan Monnier
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2013-03-26 16:58 ` Stefan Monnier
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