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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: src/Makefile unhelpful
Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2022 23:38:14 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1oXDnS-0002pY-Df@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83tu5ifl5d.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:14:06 +0300)

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  > I understood, but I think it isn't needed even once, because we don't
  > care about the exact command unless we run into some trouble.

I agree.  I brought this up because I did run into some kind of trouble,
and I could not find a way to see what the commands actually were.

I proposed a solution with the advantage that you don't need to remember
how to invoke it.

  > The command is quite long, so outputting it even once will write a lot
  > of stuff to the screen, stuff that we almost always ignore.

That is normal for output from make.  Most of the output from make, we
normally ignore.  Each line of output is useful when it is pertinent
to some problem.  With hundreds of lines of that, there is no harm
adding a few lines more.

  > It's a general Autoconf-based solution many/all GNU projects use, so
  > if we want to change that to something more memorable, we should
  > change that across the board.

In reaching that conclusion you have implicitly rejected other kinds
of solutions.  Unfortunately, this one has a fatal flaw: the autotools
don't have a lot of people working on them.  If there were a good
solution in Autoconf or Automake, it would probably not get
implemented.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-09-11  3:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 52+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-07  2:19 src/Makefile unhelpful Richard Stallman
2022-09-07  2:38 ` Po Lu
2022-09-07  2:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-08  3:00   ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-08  4:51     ` Sam James
2022-09-11  3:38       ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-11  5:34         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-11  9:57           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-11 11:59             ` Po Lu
2022-09-11 12:07               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-11 12:16                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-13  4:07               ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-13 16:11                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-14 20:02                   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2022-09-14 20:05                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-14 20:47                       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-15  7:14                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-15  7:28                           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-15  7:32                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-15  7:41                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-15  9:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-15 14:33                             ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-09-15 16:04                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-17 10:46                             ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-17 11:20                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-09-17 16:41                                 ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2022-09-17 22:59                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-17 22:58                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18 10:37                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-09-18 11:38                                 ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-18 11:53                                   ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-18 12:05                                     ` Gerd Möllmann
2022-09-18 13:48                                       ` Robert Pluim
2022-09-18 16:40                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-18 16:59                                       ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-18 21:50                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-19 17:20                                           ` chad
2022-09-19 17:25                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-19 20:42                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-18 21:39                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-15 13:13                           ` Ken Brown
2022-09-15 14:01                             ` Gregory Heytings
2022-09-11 15:16           ` Werner LEMBERG
2022-09-12  4:35             ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-08  6:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-08  7:29       ` Andreas Schwab
2022-09-08 13:18       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-09-11  3:38       ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2022-09-11  5:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-14  4:12           ` Richard Stallman
2022-09-14 11:33             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-09-07  3:11 ` Sam James

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