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From: Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca,
	alexander.pohoyda@gmx.net, storm@cua.dk
Subject: Re: how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:59:20 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <E1CJY2i-0001Js-H2@fencepost.gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200410172053.i9HKrdL01136@raven.dms.auburn.edu> (message from Luc Teirlinck on Sun, 17 Oct 2004 15:53:39 -0500 (CDT))

    If the macro is called with M-1000 or M-0, then, if nothing else, all
    these messages might slow macro execution down.

That is the motive for the existing definition of interactive-p.

    It is not clear to me whether we are currently discussing _changing_
    the behavior of `interactive-p', or declaring it obsolete.  

Someone proposed declaring it obsolete, but that by itself won't solve
the problem.

The immediate problem is that there are many uses of interactive-p,
and many of them, perhaps all, are now incorrect.  We need to either
change those uses or change interactive-p.  If we change
interactive-p, the uses which are now incorrect will become correct.
However, any uses which are now correct would need to be changed.

These are the ONLY two approaches that would make these commands
correct.

The first step in fixing this is to take inventory.  Which uses of
interactive-p are correct with the current definition of
interactive-p?  Which would be correct with the modified definition of
interactive-p that would not check for macros?

Would someone like to check them?

    On the other hand, there also is the problem that `interactive-p'
    returns t while _defining_ a keyboard macro.  It would appear to be
    deceiving to the user to have different behavior while _defining_ the
    macro and while executing it.

If we change the definition, it won't check for macros at all.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-10-18 13:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 109+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-09-24  6:09 [rmail-mbox-branch]: expunge Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-09-24  7:16 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-09-24  8:21   ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2004-09-24  9:23     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-09-24 12:03       ` Paul Michael Reilly
2004-09-25  7:08       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-03 10:40         ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-04 15:18           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-06 21:38             ` [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-06 21:47               ` Miles Bader
2004-10-08 23:34                 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-08 23:47                   ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 16:04                     ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-09 17:12                       ` Stefan
2004-10-09 18:15                         ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-09 18:20                           ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 21:02                             ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-09 21:10                               ` Miles Bader
2004-10-09 21:19                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-10-10 15:15                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-10 22:58                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-10-11 16:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-12  2:09                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-10-12 14:42                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-10-12 15:03                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-10-12 16:05                                             ` Syncing Gnus with Emacs and back (was: [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils) Reiner Steib
2004-10-13  1:26                                               ` Syncing Gnus with Emacs and back Miles Bader
2004-10-13 20:21                                                 ` Reiner Steib
2004-10-13 22:51                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-10-14  7:47                                                     ` Miles Bader
2004-10-13 14:43                                           ` [rmail-mbox-branch]: mail-utils Richard Stallman
2004-10-09 19:02                           ` Stefan
2004-10-09 20:40                             ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-11 10:36                       ` Simon Josefsson
2004-10-08 16:06               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-08 23:17                 ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-10 15:16                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-10 23:50                     ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-11 16:45                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-11 19:01                         ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-12  8:57                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-12 16:12                             ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-13 14:42                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-13 18:16 ` how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15  0:26   ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-15  6:28     ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15 12:22       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-15 15:30         ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-16 13:52           ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-16 21:49             ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-15 12:54     ` Stefan
2004-10-16 13:51       ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-16 18:41         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-16 22:00           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-17 15:19             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-17 20:53               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-17 21:44                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-10-18  8:39                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-18 13:59                 ` Richard Stallman [this message]
2004-10-19  1:58                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-19  2:08                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-19 10:29                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 17:17                       ` Alexander Pohoyda
2004-10-20 12:01                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-19 16:46                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-19 22:08                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-21  1:45                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21  3:22                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-20  1:14                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-20  1:35                         ` David Kastrup
2004-10-20 13:28                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-10-20  1:27                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-21  1:45                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21  3:08                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-22 10:47                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-22 12:54                               ` Convert keyboard macros to Lisp (was: how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use) Juri Linkov
2004-10-23 13:54                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-22 17:35                               ` how-many/count-matches for non-interactive use Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-22 22:22                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23  1:53                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23 11:32                                 ` John Paul Wallington
2004-10-23 18:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 20:36                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-26  3:09                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26  8:19                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-11-02  8:53                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-24  2:31                                   ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  1:53                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26  9:05                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  2:53                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-26  9:04                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25  3:08                                       ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-24 17:09                                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 18:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-25 14:04                                   ` Ken Manheimer
2004-10-27 10:49                                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-28  4:39                                     ` Ken Manheimer
2004-11-02 15:48                                       ` Ken Manheimer
2004-11-07  3:37                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 18:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 19:53                                   ` John Paul Wallington
2004-10-23 18:49                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-21 22:13                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-23  4:48                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-10-23 16:03                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-10-18  8:32               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-10-17 16:07           ` Richard Stallman

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