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From: Lynn Winebarger <owinebar@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>,
	Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,  emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Yuan Fu <casouri@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Ideal performance of ELisp
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2022 10:56:51 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAM=F=bCSezSHiwRZ=DA37ta3hC8y4YK3qWuyUmkbrO_22qMSvQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy1vsqlxb.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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On Sat, Aug 13, 2022, 10:07 AM Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
wrote:

> >> > Once the VM supports proper tail recursion, it's straightforward to
> >> > generate automata that never perform a function call, at least not as
> part
> >> > of the recognizer.
> >>
> >> It was straightforward beforehand as well (using a `while` loop instead
> >> of recursion).  And if you do use recursion, then it's not very much
> >> simpler with `lexical-binding` than without because you still have to
> >> take into account the possibility that the function gets redefined
> >> during your recursion :-(
> >>
> >
> > I think you're mistaking self-tail recursion for tail recursion.
>
> No, I was simply restricting the discussion to the case you mention of
> "generat[ing an] automata", in which case you usually have enough
> control over the generated code to use a `while` loop if desired.


It's true you can avoid funcall dispatch overhead that way, but unless I'm
missing something you are stuck with the overhead of the while loop plus
whatever conditional branching mechanism you would use for dispatching to a
state label, as opposed to simply jumping to the contents of a register.
I'm not 100% on whether there's an ELisp construct that the byte compiler
can turn into byte code that uses a table of labels for condirional
dispatch the way a switch statement may be implemented in C.

Lynn




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  reply	other threads:[~2022-08-13 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 136+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-06 20:13 Major modes using `widen' is a good, even essential, programming practice Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-06 21:05 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-07  6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 13:31 ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-07 14:13   ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 14:20     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 14:59       ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 15:13         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 17:01           ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 17:23             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 17:53               ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-07 18:00                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 18:05                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-07 18:37                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 23:02                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-07 18:49                   ` Óscar Fuentes
2022-08-07 18:59                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 18:56                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-08-07 19:20               ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 19:26                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-08  2:36                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08  9:58                   ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 11:39                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 15:05                       ` CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2 [Was Major modes using `widen' is a good, even essential, programming practice.] Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 15:51                         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-08 16:05                           ` CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2 Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 16:50                             ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-09 19:49                               ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-08 17:15                         ` CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2 [Was Major modes using `widen' is a good, even essential, programming practice.] Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 17:41                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 18:41                             ` CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2 Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 18:51                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 19:09                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-09  2:24                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09  8:00                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-09 11:07                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 11:24                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-09 11:57                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 16:36                                             ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-09 16:59                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 17:43                                                 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-09 17:55                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-10  0:22                                                     ` Why tree-sitter instead of Semantic? (was Re: CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2) Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-10  2:14                                                       ` Po Lu
2022-08-10  2:42                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-10 10:05                                                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-10 10:49                                                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-10 11:31                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-12 12:37                                                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-12 12:50                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-12 21:50                                                                   ` Ideal performance of ELisp (was: Why tree-sitter instead of Semantic? (was Re: CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2)) Stefan Monnier
2022-08-12 23:26                                                                     ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-13  2:11                                                                       ` Ideal performance of ELisp Stefan Monnier
2022-08-13 10:51                                                                         ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-13 11:13                                                                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-13 14:07                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-13 14:56                                                                             ` Lynn Winebarger [this message]
2022-08-16 16:46                                                                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-16 17:22                                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-17 12:41                                                                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-17 14:04                                                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-17 14:19                                                                                       ` Mattias Engdegård
2022-08-17 22:18                                                                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-17 14:25                                                                                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-13  4:39                                                                     ` Ideal performance of ELisp (was: Why tree-sitter instead of Semantic? (was Re: CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2)) Ihor Radchenko
2022-08-13  7:45                                                                       ` Ideal performance of ELisp Philip Kaludercic
2022-08-13 11:58                                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-08-13 14:15                                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-14  9:25                                                                         ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-14  9:34                                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-08-14 13:01                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-16 19:23                                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-14 13:01                                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-16  8:59                                                                             ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-16  9:50                                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-08-16 18:21                                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-17  9:48                                                                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2022-08-17 12:02                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-16 15:06                                                                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-16 18:24                                                                                 ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-17 13:04                                                                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-17 14:18                                                                                     ` Andrea Corallo
2022-08-18 12:17                                                                                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-12 16:00                                                                 ` Why tree-sitter instead of Semantic? (was Re: CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2) Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-12 19:06                                                                   ` tomas
2022-08-13  4:41                                                                     ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-13  5:14                                                                       ` tomas
2022-08-13 11:57                                                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-13 14:28                                                                     ` Akib Azmain Turja
2022-08-14 19:24                                                         ` Eric Ludlam
2022-08-16 10:42                                                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-17  1:56                                                             ` Eric Ludlam
2022-08-10 17:03                                                       ` Tassilo Horn
2022-08-13 14:40                                                       ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-08-14  1:23                                                         ` Po Lu
2022-08-16  9:06                                                           ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-16 11:05                                                             ` Po Lu
2022-08-16 11:41                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-16 16:33                                                               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-16 17:19                                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-16 17:40                                                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-17  1:41                                                                     ` Eric Ludlam
2022-08-18 12:34                                                                       ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-20 13:15                                                                         ` Eric Ludlam
2022-08-08 18:20                           ` CC Mode with font-lock-maximum-decoration 2 Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 20:17     ` Major modes using `widen' is a good, even essential, programming practice Gregory Heytings
2022-08-07 20:46       ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-07 20:53         ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-08  2:37         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 10:33           ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 11:41             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-07 23:21     ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-08  2:29       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08  9:25         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-08 11:16           ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-08 11:47             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 14:24               ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-08-08 11:30           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 12:05             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-08 12:40               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 17:22                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-08-08 17:34                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 21:16             ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-09 11:30               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 14:38                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-09 16:12                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 16:52                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-09 17:05                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-09 18:52                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-09 19:46                           ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-08 10:38       ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-08 11:49         ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-08-08 10:41       ` Gregory Heytings
2022-08-07 17:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-08-22 11:26   ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-08-22 23:59     ` Dmitry Gutov

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