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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	Gregory Heytings <gregory@heytings.org>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Entering emojis
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2021 23:12:12 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADwFkmmDnUozsTyzCG7vLsPBf=8D6tTjsKPfLH47k7nM9W9NYw@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkm=5ROGtZ6TakcFidbtRRyv+X3ji0_y5otVgByFWCLQCDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> (Unrelatedly, almost no smileys display on my macOS machine, but I
> believe this is a known issue.)

Why exactly are emojis broken on macOS?  I'm surprised to learn that I
have to say:

    (set-fontset-font t 'emoji
                      '("Apple Color Emoji" . "iso10646-1") nil 'prepend)

Is that correct?  Why can't we just do that automatically?

I think that most users will just assume that emojis are broken and move
on.  Maybe some will soldier on and find the fix.  I very nearly didn't.

The NEWS entry on this is also not very useful, as it gives:

    (set-fontset-font t 'emoji
                      '("My New Emoji Font" . "iso10646-1") nil 'prepend)

But there is of course no such font "My New Emoji Font".

---

Also, and I'm sorry in advance, but can we please change the text to
something understandable?

     ** New character script 'emoji' has been created.
     Various blocks of codepoints have been split out of the 'symbol'
     script into their own 'emoji' script to allow easier specification of
     their treatment.  Which codepoints are treated as emoji is derived
     from the Unicode specifications.

Uh, what?  I have no idea what practical difference any of the words in
the above would make.  Blocks of codepoints?  What is a 'symbol' script?
Am I a horrible programmer and human being if I don't know what any of
this means?

Maybe I have a general concept of some of these things, but not enough
to know how this affects me as a user.  Did emojis already work, but
they are now just better?  Are emojis an entirely new feature in Emacs
28?  Do they work even a little bit in Emacs 27?  Do they work, but are
half-broken?  Do they work perfectly?

The entry after start talking about Zero Width Joiners and like,
seriously people, can we just *really* dumb this down to something like:

    *** Emojis now display nicely under X Windows and macOS.

Or like:

    *** Emacs can display 50 new Emojis and also with skin tones.

Or whatever the above is supposed to mean.  You can then of course go
into whatever low-level technical details you want, but please at least
explain first in casual terms what this even is.

Unless of course this is only of interest to actual Unicode experts, in
which case ignore me and carry on.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-10-26 21:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 342+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-10-25 18:32 Entering emojis Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 18:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-25 19:21   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 19:26     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-25 19:36       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 19:40         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-25 19:49           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 20:14             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-25 20:49               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26  2:01                 ` Howard Melman
2021-10-26  2:29                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26  3:38                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26  9:10                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-26 11:50                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 14:35                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 12:18                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 13:49                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 15:46                         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-26 16:09                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 16:36                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 16:42                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 16:52                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26 17:36                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 16:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26 17:09                                 ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-26 17:14                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26 17:33                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 17:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 12:44                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 17:43                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 17:54                                       ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-26 18:14                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 17:55                                       ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-26 18:08                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 17:46                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-26 17:58                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 18:07                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-26 18:14                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 18:18                                             ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-26 18:24                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 19:18                                       ` describe-char on emoji sequences Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 19:28                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-26 19:42                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 13:35                                             ` James Cloos
2021-10-27 13:43                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 15:07                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 15:15                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 15:59                                                   ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 16:11                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 16:05                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:12                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 16:23                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 16:34                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 16:36                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:43                                                           ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 17:02                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 17:32                                                               ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 19:40                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 19:48                                                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-27 16:26                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:36                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 17:08                                                 ` James Cloos
2021-10-27 17:13                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 17:36                                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 18:23                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28  7:02                                                     ` James Cloos
2021-10-28  7:46                                                       ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-28  9:34                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28  9:39                                                           ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-28  9:16                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 19:24                                                         ` James Cloos
2021-10-28 19:34                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 12:21                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2021-10-28 12:23                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 13:49                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 13:57                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 14:25                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 16:30                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 17:30                                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-28 14:35                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 23:17                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 16:45                             ` Entering emojis Stefan Kangas
2021-10-26 17:34                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 18:39                                 ` William Xu
2021-10-26 19:35                           ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-26 20:41                             ` Broken Stefan Kangas
2021-10-26 21:12                           ` Stefan Kangas [this message]
2021-10-27  1:38                             ` Entering emojis Howard Melman
2021-10-27  8:27                             ` Mattias Engdegård
2021-10-27  8:51                               ` Andreas Schwab
2021-10-27 14:14                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-27 15:14                                   ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-27 17:20                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:01                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 17:50                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-27 18:27                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 18:38                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-27 18:41                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 18:56                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-27 19:15                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 19:20                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28  5:56                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28  6:50                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28  9:11                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28  9:37                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28  9:39                                                           ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 10:00                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 10:05                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 10:25                                                               ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 10:33                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 11:20                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 13:26                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 13:55                                                                     ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 16:27                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 17:06                                                                         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28 17:37                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 21:10                                                                             ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-29  7:51                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 10:32                                                                                 ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-29 10:54                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 21:40                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29  7:31                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 12:51                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 13:31                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05  5:04                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05  7:56                                                                                       ` Ligature support (was: Entering emojis) Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 13:42                                                                                         ` Ligature support Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 14:33                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 14:38                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 15:14                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 15:20                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 15:26                                                                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 15:40                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 16:35                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 15:26                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 15:37                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 15:56                                                                                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 16:39                                                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 16:34                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 16:45                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 17:05                                                                                                           ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05 17:16                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 18:54                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 22:17                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06  7:04                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06 18:02                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 20:09                                                                                                               ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05 22:20                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06  9:01                                                                                                                   ` Yuri Khan
2021-11-05 17:13                                                                                                           ` tomas
2021-11-05 19:14                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 19:52                                                                                                               ` tomas
2021-11-05 20:16                                                                                                                 ` Werner LEMBERG
2021-11-05 20:18                                                                                                                   ` tomas
2021-11-05 20:35                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 20:30                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06  9:16                                                                                                                   ` tomas
2021-11-06  9:49                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 20:43                                                                                                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-05 20:49                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 17:18                                                                                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 18:55                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 19:11                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-05 22:38                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 22:50                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-05 23:02                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06  8:32                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06 18:08                                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06 18:34                                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06  5:23                                                                                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06  8:40                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-12 20:28                                                                                                                 ` chad
2021-11-15  4:51                                                                                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-15  6:19                                                                                                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-18  3:50                                                                                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2021-11-15 12:52                                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06  7:12                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06 18:05                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-06 18:30                                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06 13:25                                                                                                           ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2021-11-06 13:34                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-06 17:03                                                                                                               ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2021-11-06 17:33                                                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 19:23                                                 ` Entering emojis Gregory Heytings
2021-10-28  5:58                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 14:16                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-27 12:09                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 12:27                                 ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 11:48                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 12:36                               ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 13:07                                 ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 13:09                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 13:26                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 13:50                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-08 19:52                                       ` chad
2021-11-08 19:58                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 13:34                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 15:12                                     ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 16:08                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 17:00                                         ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 13:22                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 13:28                                   ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-27 14:06                                     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 14:15                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 14:22                               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 15:34                                 ` Michael Albinus
2021-11-02 23:36                           ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-04  6:27                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 15:12                               ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-04 17:18                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-04 18:34                                 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-25 19:42         ` Gregory Heytings
2021-10-25 20:10           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 20:18             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 20:31               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-25 20:36   ` Matthias Meulien
2021-10-26  2:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-25 20:54 ` T.V Raman
2021-10-26 21:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-26 21:43   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 12:45     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 14:22       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 12:01   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 12:28     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 13:19       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-02 23:40         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-27 14:38       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 15:40         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 17:11           ` Move shorthands.el to lisp/emacs-lisp/? Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 21:28             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29  5:31               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29  9:45                 ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-29 10:10                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 10:31                     ` Yuri Khan
2021-10-29 10:41                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 10:51                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-10-29 12:37                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 15:52         ` Entering emojis Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:27           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-27 16:37             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 15:56         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-10-27 16:06           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-27 16:20             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-27 16:27             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 21:27               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-02 23:48                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-03  1:50                   ` T.V Raman
2021-11-04  6:28                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 14:14       ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-28 14:16         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 14:31           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 14:56             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-28 14:59               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 15:27                 ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-28 21:43                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29  9:32                     ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-29 13:03                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 15:30                         ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-29 16:01                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 16:45                             ` Kévin Le Gouguec
2021-10-29 17:18                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-03  0:08                                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-03 16:15                                   ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-27 17:25 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28  9:18   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 10:33     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 11:08       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 11:19         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 12:54           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 12:56             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 13:32               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 13:54                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 15:57                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 21:49                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29  5:45                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 12:46                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 13:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 13:38                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 13:55                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 14:12                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 14:30                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 14:45                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 14:53                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 16:02                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 16:39                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 16:01                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 16:34                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 18:06                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 18:23                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 19:46                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 20:43                                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 20:57                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 21:09                                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 21:21                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30  6:08                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30  7:06                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2021-11-03 18:56                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30 12:17                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 13:56                 ` Robert Pluim
2021-10-28 20:44         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 21:51           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 22:34             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 22:39               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-03  0:35                 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-10-28 13:30       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-28 23:37         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-28 23:48           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29  6:10             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29  6:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 14:43             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-10-29 16:06               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 17:01                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-01-29 10:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-29 17:41               ` Daniel Martín
2021-10-29 21:46                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-29 22:16                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30  6:19                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30  6:36                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30 12:25                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30 12:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30 12:34                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30 12:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30 12:20                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-30  6:22                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-10-30 14:26                   ` Howard Melman
2021-10-28 14:19     ` T.V Raman
2021-10-28 14:33       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-10-28 16:04       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-01 19:47 ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-02  2:06   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-03  1:27     ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-03  2:07       ` Reading multiple files (was: Entering emojis) Stefan Monnier
2021-11-03 16:21         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2021-11-04 17:31       ` Entering emojis Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-13 19:43 ` Problem with some new emoji in Emacs Jean Louis
2021-11-13 20:16   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-13 20:49     ` Jean Louis
2021-11-14  6:35       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-14  7:50         ` Jean Louis
2021-11-13 20:37   ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-13 20:53     ` Jean Louis
2021-11-13 21:14       ` Jean Louis

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