Re: master 86dc875bf5 2/2: Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete

Re: master 86dc875bf5 2/2: Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete

[Po Lu]

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com> writes:

> branch: master
> commit 86dc875bf590c33d255af04d4e3249db05fca65d
> Author: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
> Commit: Stefan Kangas <stefan@marxist.se>
>
>     Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete
>     
>     * lisp/net/browse-url.el (browse-url-mozilla-program)
>     (browse-url-mozilla-arguments)
>     (browse-url-mozilla-startup-arguments)
>     (browse-url-mozilla-new-window-is-tab, browse-url-mozilla)
>     (browse-url-mozilla-sentinel): Make obsolete.  (Bug#56464)
>     (browse-url--browser-defcustom-type, browse-url-default-browser):
>     Don't refer to above obsolete function 'browse-url-mozilla'.

IIRC this is used for SeaMonkey as well, which is still actively
developed and used.  But I'm not sure.

Re: master 86dc875bf5 2/2: Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:

> IIRC this is used for SeaMonkey as well, which is still actively
> developed and used.  But I'm not sure.

The SeaMonkey binary is called "seamonkey", so even that won't work
OOTB.

If we want to follow the browse-url historical "tradition", we should
add variables for "seamonkey"... but I'm not sure adding variables for
every little web browser out there is a very great idea.  (See also the
TODO item about cleaning this all up.)

IMHO, it should be enough to provide facilities for the main web
browsers (and those important to the free software mission) and then
defer to e.g. XDG.  So I'd recommend SeaMonkey users to use something
like:

    xdg-settings set default-web-browser seamonkey.desktop

Re: master 86dc875bf5 2/2: Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete

[Visuwesh]

[ஞாயிறு ஜூலை 10, 2022] Stefan Kangas wrote:

> Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> IIRC this is used for SeaMonkey as well, which is still actively
>> developed and used.  But I'm not sure.
>
> The SeaMonkey binary is called "seamonkey", so even that won't work
> OOTB.
>
> If we want to follow the browse-url historical "tradition", we should
> add variables for "seamonkey"... but I'm not sure adding variables for
> every little web browser out there is a very great idea.  (See also the
> TODO item about cleaning this all up.)
>
> IMHO, it should be enough to provide facilities for the main web
> browsers (and those important to the free software mission) and then
> defer to e.g. XDG.  So I'd recommend SeaMonkey users to use something
> like:
>
>     xdg-settings set default-web-browser seamonkey.desktop

IMVHO, XDG (and Gtk for that matter) can be annoyingly hard to
understand and set-up.  I spent an overall ~2 hours this week trying to
get XDG (and dconf) working the way I want it to [*].  If Emacs does not
rely on XDG but supports them "natively", I would be grateful as it
means I do not have to put up with the whims of XDG et al.  Just my two
cents.

---

[*] More details: Debian decided to install xdg-desktop-portal by itself
    and set it up.  This meant that the file picker in Chromium would
    not pick up my bookmarks or my XDG environmental variables.  Getting
    the WM_CLASS atom of the file picker gave the clue not searching for
    something like "gtk file picker does not respect bookmarks".

    In the same vein, I had no idea why dconf did not save the settings
    I set via gsettings, dconf, dconf-editor.  It started saving the
    settings once I deleted the dconf directory in $XDG_CONFIG_HOME.

    Since almost every search engine seems to give poor results, I have
    a very hard time fixing these little annoyances.  I, at least, want
    Emacs to do exactly what I say, not someone else's whim.
 

Re: master 86dc875bf5 2/2: Make browse-url.el support for plain "mozilla" obsolete

[Stefan Kangas]

Visuwesh <visuweshm@gmail.com> writes:

> If Emacs does not rely on XDG but supports them "natively", I would be
> grateful as it means I do not have to put up with the whims of XDG et
> al.

I don't see any reason to reject patches adding support for some web
browser <foo> to browse-url.el.  I guess that includes Seamonkey as well
(though I'm more surprised that no one has thought to add Nyxt yet).