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From: Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2017 18:04:11 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CADB4rJHGRdoabD=w8n4N8WhVXuo-bciXQ10w3Wv2ftbYD63WiQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv7exs50bs.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

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> > Would a ~/.emacs.d/.package-initialize.el file, to be read by
> > package-initialize before it does anything else, be a better
> > alternative for configurations that must be done before
> > package-initialize is called?
>
> To me, it'd be a worst case fallback if we can't find a better
> solution.

That's a reasonable perspective. I personally do think that there is
no better solution.

Also, I really like the naming and the idea that the file is loaded by
`package-initialize', not directly by startup.el.

> Change package-initialize so it keeps track of what it activated and
> if called a second time, perform a diff between what was activated
> before and what should be activated now and based on this activate
> the new pkgs and deactivate the excess ones?

This will introduce performance regressions. Besides, having one part
of the init process undo a bunch of stuff that a previous part did
seems like a sketchy design to me. Also, it's impossible for this to
work correctly in general since autoloads can run arbitrary Lisp code.

> Process ~/.emacs specially so it can start with a special construct
> (with-early-config ...)

That seems like a hacky way to try to combine two files into one file.
Wouldn't it be better to just use two files?

> I've had other ideas, but they generally suck one way or another.

Me too. For example, I now think that my original idea of generating a
template init-file is a less effective solution than
~/.emacs.d/.package-initialize.el.

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-08-25  1:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-20  2:38 Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  6:10 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:20   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 18:39       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21  0:33         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-21  4:08           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:37   ` Alex
2017-08-20 16:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:46     ` Yuri Khan
2017-08-20 16:54       ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:18         ` Colin Baxter
2017-08-22 21:24       ` Alex
2017-08-20 17:22   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 17:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 17:54       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:43           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 20:33               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  2:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22  4:52                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  8:41                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 16:02                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 14:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22 18:09                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:01                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-21  9:04   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-21 14:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:34       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:47         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 11:37         ` Timur Aydin
2017-08-22 16:58           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:04             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23  5:17               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 11:33                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-08-23 17:16                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 13:28                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 17:31                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 18:00                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 18:32                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:27                         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 20:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:21                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 21:44                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:53                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24  0:44                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24  6:39                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:03                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <<83fucg99cj.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 17:44                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:12                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 18:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 21:34                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 21:40                                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <<83bmn496js.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 18:36                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  1:04                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23  3:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 16:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-24 17:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 18:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  3:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  3:59                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:45                     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  6:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 11:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  1:04             ` Radon Rosborough [this message]
2017-08-25  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:28                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:34                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-26 22:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-26 22:33                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:18     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 19:09 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-23 15:57 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 18:17   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 19:17     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 19:38       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:09         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24  0:13           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 13:44             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-25  1:04               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 22:30   ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24  0:54     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 11:13       ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24 17:02   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-24 17:52     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 13:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-21  8:24 angelo.g0
2017-08-21 16:22 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 19:35   ` Angelo Graziosi

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