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From: Colin Baxter <m43cap@yandex.com>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>
Cc: , Radon Rosborough <radon.neon@gmail.com>,
	Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Yuri Khan <yuri.v.khan@gmail.com>,
	Alex <agrambot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Summary and next steps for (package-initialize)
Date: Sun, 20 Aug 2017 18:18:36 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <871so6jgyb.fsf@jetstar> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <46e80edb-399d-4063-8772-1f21be553eda@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 20 Aug 2017 09:54:32 -0700 (PDT)")

>>>>> Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:

    > +1 - what Yuri said.

    > And this is not just about new users.  Such an interrogation is
    > not friendly for new or old users, even if old users might have a
    > better chance of understanding what is meant.

    > There must be a way to make package.el behavior failsafe, simple,
    > and without gotchas, for users.  That should be the goal.

    > Whether that can be done in a backward-compatible way is, IMHO,
    > less important than making sure the new behavior is solid.

    > Using the package system should be opt-in, and it should be simple
    > and unintimidating.

    > (Just one opinion.)

Emacs code browser (ecb) copies the old init file to
~/.emacs.before_ecb_2.40 before inserting an option into the original
~/.emacs. The user is told all this before he is asked to ok it. It's
all straightforward and transparent, even to a newbie like me.

Could not something similar be used in the case of package.el?

-- 
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Colin Baxter
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  reply	other threads:[~2017-08-20 17:18 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 106+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-08-20  2:38 Summary and next steps for (package-initialize) Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  6:10 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:20   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 18:09     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 18:39       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21  0:33         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-21  4:08           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:13 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20  8:15 ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-20 17:21   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:37   ` Alex
2017-08-20 16:44     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 16:46     ` Yuri Khan
2017-08-20 16:54       ` Drew Adams
2017-08-20 17:18         ` Colin Baxter [this message]
2017-08-22 21:24       ` Alex
2017-08-20 17:22   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 17:36     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-20 17:54       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:35         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:43           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:40             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 20:33               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  2:37                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22  4:52                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22  8:41                     ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 16:02                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 14:33                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-22 18:09                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:01                         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-21  9:04   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-21 14:31     ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-21 16:34       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 17:47         ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-22 11:37         ` Timur Aydin
2017-08-22 16:58           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-22 21:04             ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23  5:17               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 11:33                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2017-08-23 17:16                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 13:28                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 17:31                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 18:00                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 18:32                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:27                         ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 20:59                           ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:21                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-23 21:44                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-23 21:53                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24  0:44                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24  6:39                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:03                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:14                           ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                           ` <<83fucg99cj.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 17:44                             ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:12                               ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 18:29                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 21:34                                   ` Clément Pit-Claudel
2017-08-24 21:40                                     ` Drew Adams
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 18:14                               ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]                               ` <<83bmn496js.fsf@gnu.org>
2017-08-24 18:36                                 ` Drew Adams
2017-08-24 18:57                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  1:04                                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  1:04                               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23  3:15       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 16:47         ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-24 17:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-24 18:26             ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25  3:52               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  3:59                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:39                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:45                     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:48                       ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  6:47                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 11:51                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  1:04             ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:14               ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25  4:28                 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-25  4:47                   ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:07                 ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-25 21:34                   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-26 22:29                     ` Stefan Monnier
2017-08-26 22:33                       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 16:18     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-20 19:09 ` Mark Oteiza
2017-08-23 15:57 ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 18:17   ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 19:17     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-23 19:38       ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-23 20:09         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24  0:13           ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 13:44             ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-25  1:04               ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 17:12           ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-23 22:30   ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24  0:54     ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-24 11:13       ` Nathan Moreau
2017-08-24 17:02   ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-24 17:52     ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
2017-08-24 18:31       ` Eli Zaretskii
2017-08-25 13:48         ` Nikolay Kudryavtsev
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2017-08-21  8:24 angelo.g0
2017-08-21 16:22 ` Radon Rosborough
2017-08-21 19:35   ` Angelo Graziosi

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