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From: Karl Fogel <kfogel@floss.red-bean.com>
Cc: Juanma Barranquero <jmbarranquero@wke.es>,
	rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting)
Date: 12 Jun 2004 16:01:15 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wu2ca3tw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040613023944.GA13072@fencepost>

Miles Bader <miles@gnu.org> writes:
> It's critical, IMO -- my experience of using mozilla and savannah's bug
> tracker is that the annoyance of having to go to the web site and muddle
> through the forms significantly decreased the likelihood that I would bother
> (it was fine the first N times, but after a while I started to dread it).

Note that filing bugs by email significantly increases the likelihood
of duplicate issues.  

One of the advantages of going to the web site is that you can first
search to see if the bug already exists in the database.  Whereas if
you fire off an email, there's no query step.  Sure, the editing
environment for an email is better -- Emacs buffer, rather than web
form -- but the web forms *are* also a realtime database front end,
and that makes a difference too.

I'm not sure what interface made you "muddle through forms".  In my
experience, if you're filing a new bug, there's one form to fill out,
and if you're modifying an existing bug, then you just go to a URL and
make the appropriate change.  It's not that hard; I certainly don't
dread it.

Administering existing bugs by email would be nice, of course.  For
example, I'd like to be able to respond to an email sent by the issue
tracker, and have my response cause some new change to the bug.  But
lack of this feature is hardly a showstopper.

Please, let's not aim for perfection, that way lies madness.  Some
issue tracker is better than no issue tracker, and if one sets up the
appropriate bookmarks and URLs, one should never have to muddle
through multiple forms to get things done.

-Karl

  reply	other threads:[~2004-06-12 21:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-07  5:32 new *Help* argument highlighting Miles Bader
2004-05-07  8:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 22:22   ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-08 23:32     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:47       ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-09  0:14         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:49       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09  0:09         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 18:47     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-09 22:25       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09 22:54         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 23:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-09 23:48             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  0:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:11                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  0:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:53                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  1:32                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-10  7:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  2:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  7:37                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 12:45                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-10 13:01                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 16:18                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-10 19:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 21:54                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11 15:57                           ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 20:58                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 21:51                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 22:58                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 22:08                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11  0:07                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11  2:30                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-11 15:28                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 17:44                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 17:54         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-10 21:10           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:28             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 21:41               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 22:12                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:47               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:57                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 22:10                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 22:26                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11  8:11                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  7:51                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12  8:15                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  8:58                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  9:25                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  9:32                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 15:45                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-13 17:33                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-05-13 15:45                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-11 10:53                                 ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:20                                   ` Bug tracking Lars Hansen
2004-06-11 11:33                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:39                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 12:40                                     ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 14:21                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Miles Bader
2004-06-11 15:11                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 22:29                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12  9:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  1:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  2:12                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:15                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:20                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:37                                     ` Bug tracking Juri Linkov
2004-06-12  9:38                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-12 15:28                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 13:52                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 15:09                                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 15:38                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:32                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13  0:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:05                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 11:55                                           ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-06-13 14:34                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:04                                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 18:50                                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:41                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 23:09                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 23:33                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-06-15  8:11                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-16 16:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 22:26                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-13 23:52                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 12:47                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12 15:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-12 22:09                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12 23:06                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  0:08                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:50                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  1:07                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:00                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13 22:52                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 23:56                                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-14  7:20                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14  7:31                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:40                                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-14 21:36                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-15  1:36                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-15 13:58                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 21:49                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 23:03                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12 18:26                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Karl Fogel
2004-06-12 20:03                                     ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13  2:39                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:01                                         ` Karl Fogel [this message]
2004-06-13  3:34                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:52                                             ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 11:31                                             ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 13:28                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13 14:38                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 12:19                                             ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Jason Rumney
2004-06-13  9:06                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-06-13 14:26                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:36                                           ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 23:29                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:29                                         ` Bug tracking Oliver Scholz
2004-06-14 18:50                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:17                                             ` Tak Ota
2004-06-16 16:57                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-16 17:59                                                 ` Tak Ota
2004-06-14 18:50                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 20:19                                       ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-16 16:58                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 10:47                             ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:10                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 11:25                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:47                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:01                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:15                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 14:06                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 13:09                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-12 22:18                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17  1:14                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  2:30                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 12:54                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17 14:46                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-17 22:23                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 23:28                                           ` fill docstring (Re: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  1:16                                         ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  7:02                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-17  7:16                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 12:53                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:22                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:43                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11  9:02                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 23:42                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-11  8:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 12:23             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 13:56               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 14:36                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-11 14:53                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 19:40                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 20:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  1:18                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-13  1:30                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  7:04                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 14:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13 21:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:25                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-14  9:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 16:51             ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-05-11 18:30               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  0:04               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 18:29                 ` Romain Francoise
2004-05-13  1:31                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  6:55                     ` Romain Francoise

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