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From: Juanma Barranquero <lektu@mi.madritel.es>
Subject: Re: new *Help* argument highlighting
Date: Mon, 10 May 2004 02:11:32 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20040510020140.F99A.LEKTU@mi.madritel.es> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwv8yg188dp.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org>

On 09 May 2004 20:00:07 -0400, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:

> I just find it odd to highlight arguments more than, say, the function's
> name (i.e. basically the title of the help buffer).

I've read that already on the thread, and I find it very surprising.
When I read a describe-function *Help* buffer, I'm never interested in
the function's name: I already know that, I *typed* it. In 100% of cases,
the reason I type C-h f is precisely to find what to pass to the args.
In a great many cases, I'm interested in just a few args, because the
others I remember from previous uses of the function, so having a way to
quickly determine where on the docstring are these args referred seems a
big win, performance-wise. I think other people must be using C-h f in
very different ways to mine...

> Maybe italics will make it less strange, but the current bold I see is just
> very surprising because it highlights (in the literal sense) parts of the
> docstring as if they were THE-THING-I-VE-BEEN-LOOKING-FOR, even when it
> has strictly no indication that it's what I'm interested in.

Bold, or italics, just reinforce the convention already stated by using
uppercase, I think.

> I didn't say fruit salad.  I meant a sober presentation like you'd find in
> a book (e.g. generated from Texinfo).

Yeah, sorry, I didn't intend to imply that. But I get the feeling (I can
be wrong) that there are people who simply likes the Help buffers with
no highlighting/font-locking at all. That's also a bit surprising to me,
given that we use font-locking in a lot of cases, like the recently
added `completions-fist-difference' and `completions-common-part' faces.
It's not like help-argument-name introduces highlighting on an otherwise
very sober Emacs environment... :)

> No colors, please.

No, not as default. I don't think anyone would like that.

                                                           /L/e/k/t/u

  reply	other threads:[~2004-05-10  0:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 173+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-05-07  5:32 new *Help* argument highlighting Miles Bader
2004-05-07  8:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 22:22   ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-08 23:32     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:47       ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-09  0:14         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-08 23:49       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09  0:09         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 18:47     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-09 22:25       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-09 22:54         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-09 23:10           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-09 23:48             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  0:00               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:11                 ` Juanma Barranquero [this message]
2004-05-10  0:25                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  0:53                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  1:32                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-10  7:24                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10  2:42                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10  7:37                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 12:45                           ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-05-10 13:01                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 16:18                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-10 19:06                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 21:54                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11 15:57                           ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 20:58                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 21:51                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 22:58                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11 22:08                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-05-11  0:07                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11  2:30                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-11 15:28                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-05-11 17:44                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 17:54         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-10 21:10           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:28             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 21:41               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:59                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-10 22:12                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:47               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 21:57                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-10 22:10                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 22:26                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-11  8:11                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  7:51                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12  8:15                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  8:58                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  9:25                               ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12  9:32                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 15:45                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-13 17:33                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-05-13 15:45                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-11 10:53                                 ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:20                                   ` Bug tracking Lars Hansen
2004-06-11 11:33                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 11:39                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 12:40                                     ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-11 14:21                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Miles Bader
2004-06-11 15:11                                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-11 22:29                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12  9:45                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  1:50                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12  2:12                                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:15                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:20                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12  8:37                                     ` Bug tracking Juri Linkov
2004-06-12  9:38                                       ` Lars Hansen
2004-06-12 15:28                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 13:52                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 15:09                                             ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 15:38                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:32                                                 ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13  0:01                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13  0:05                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 11:55                                           ` Kai Grossjohann
2004-06-13 14:34                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:04                                               ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-14 18:50                                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:41                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 23:09                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-14 23:33                                                   ` Miles Bader
2004-06-15  8:11                                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-16 16:57                                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 22:26                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-06-13 23:52                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 12:47                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12 15:38                                         ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-12 22:09                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-12 23:06                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  0:08                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:50                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13  1:07                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 16:00                                                     ` Juri Linkov
2004-06-13 22:52                                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 23:56                                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-06-14  7:20                                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14  7:31                                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-14 16:40                                                             ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-14 21:36                                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-15  1:36                                                                 ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2004-06-15 13:58                                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 21:49                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-13 23:03                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13  0:01                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-12 18:26                                   ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Karl Fogel
2004-06-12 20:03                                     ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13  2:39                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:01                                         ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13  3:34                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-06-12 21:52                                             ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 11:31                                             ` Bug tracking Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 13:28                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-06-13 14:38                                                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-06-13 12:19                                             ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Jason Rumney
2004-06-13  9:06                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-06-13 14:26                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:36                                           ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-13 23:29                                             ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-06-13 14:29                                         ` Bug tracking Oliver Scholz
2004-06-14 18:50                                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 21:17                                             ` Tak Ota
2004-06-16 16:57                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-06-16 17:59                                                 ` Tak Ota
2004-06-14 18:50                                     ` Bug tracking (was: new *Help* argument highlighting) Richard Stallman
2004-06-14 20:19                                       ` Karl Fogel
2004-06-16 16:58                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 10:47                             ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:10                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 11:25                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 11:47                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:01                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:15                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 14:06                                         ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 13:09                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-12 22:18                                             ` Miles Bader
2004-05-17  1:14                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  2:30                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-18 12:54                                                   ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17 14:46                                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-17 22:23                                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-05-12 23:28                                           ` fill docstring (Re: new *Help* argument highlighting) Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  1:16                                         ` new *Help* argument highlighting Kenichi Handa
2004-05-17  7:02                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-17  7:16                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 12:53                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 13:22                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-12 13:43                                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11  9:02                       ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-10 23:42                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-11  8:14                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 12:23             ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 13:56               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-11 14:36                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-11 14:53                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 19:40                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 20:12                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  1:18                     ` Miles Bader
2004-05-13  1:30                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:41                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13  7:04                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13 14:21                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13 21:25                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  1:25                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-14  9:20                     ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-11 16:51             ` Kevin Rodgers
2004-05-11 18:30               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12  0:04               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-12 18:29                 ` Romain Francoise
2004-05-13  1:31                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-13  6:55                     ` Romain Francoise

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