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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Gregory Heytings <ghe@sdf.org>,
	spacibba@aol.com, juri@linkov.net, casouri@gmail.com,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: feature/icomplete-vertical
Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 20:14:30 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9foeb8p.fsf@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <838sckdby8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 05 Oct 2020 16:44:31 +0300")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

>> You reject everything I propose with vague statements about
>> "potential problems", without any detail or recipe that would help
>> me or others to see whether these "potential problems" are real or
>> minor ones.
>
> I'm not sure what detail I need to provide.  Isn't it clear that using
> a buffer-local variable doesn't resolve problems with using that same
> buffer in another level of recursive-edit?  Or that changing the
> window-start position from under the feet of the display engine is
> something that should be avoided?  Why would you need examples to
> realize that a design based on this cannot be clean, in the sense that
> use cases where it causes trouble will eventually surface?

I think can understand some of Gregory's frustration.  If those problems
are real, it should be possible to showcase them.  Though that's not
always easy to do, those examples could better illustrate where the
fractures in Gregory's design are, and encourage him to undestand the
problem and find alternatives.  Or, as we often do, clearly document
shortcomings and establish the specific application domain of a
particular technique.  I for one, wouldn't mind a fix that worked only
in Emacs 28, so maybe some C-level handholding can be added.

João



  reply	other threads:[~2020-10-05 19:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 118+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-09-12 13:10 feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-12 13:33 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-12 14:30   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-14  6:44   ` feature/icomplete-vertical jixiuf
2020-09-14  7:08     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-14 15:02     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-14 17:13       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-14 17:31         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-16 15:22       ` feature/icomplete-vertical jixiuf
     [not found]         ` <20200918005354.muskx2b7tssyqzzk@Ergus>
2020-09-18  3:08           ` feature/icomplete-vertical jixiuf
2020-09-18 11:58             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-18 17:05             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-18 19:52               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 10:55   ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-09-20 13:04     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-20 13:15       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 13:37         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-20 14:07         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 14:28           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 15:04             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-20 15:54               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 16:13                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-20 17:09             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 17:43               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-01 16:48                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-10-02  4:45                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical jixiuf
2020-10-03  2:13                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-10-04 23:47                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05  4:48                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-10-05  9:06                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 12:23                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-10-05 12:28                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 12:52                             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-10-05  5:45                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  9:13                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05  9:46                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05  9:57                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 10:11                             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 10:52                               ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 11:00                                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 11:11                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 11:33                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 11:48                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 17:59                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical martin rudalics
2020-10-05 18:24                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 11:24                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 11:45                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 11:54                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 12:05                                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 13:07                                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 13:25                                             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:03                                               ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 19:12                                                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:19                                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 19:30                                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:36                                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 11:02                                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 11:32                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 11:54                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 11:58                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 12:02                                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 12:07                                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 12:25                                             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 12:33                                               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 13:19                                                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 13:44                                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:14                                                     ` João Távora [this message]
2020-10-05 19:24                                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:32                                                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-06  6:16                                                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 19:44                                                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05 19:49                                                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-06  6:20                                                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-10-05 13:13                               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-10-05  7:52                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-10-05  8:22                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Manuel Uberti
2020-10-05  9:40                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical João Távora
2020-10-05 10:53                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 14:49           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-20 15:46             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-18 21:39 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-18 23:27   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19  1:59   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19  4:03     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19  6:15       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19  8:35         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 10:30           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 11:19             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 11:56               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 12:57                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 11:43             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 13:00               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 13:42                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 15:35                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 13:59                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 14:43                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 15:37                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 15:49                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 16:01                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 16:05                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 16:15                           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-19 16:19                             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 16:58                               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 17:06                                 ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 17:21                                   ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 20:47                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 22:07                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Stefan Monnier
2020-09-20  5:31                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-20 10:47                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20 13:04                                         ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 21:40                                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Dmitry Gutov
2020-09-20  5:45                                       ` feature/icomplete-vertical Eli Zaretskii
2020-09-19 15:55                     ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-19 10:47           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Ergus
2020-09-19 17:08           ` feature/icomplete-vertical Drew Adams
2020-09-20  0:28             ` feature/icomplete-vertical Gregory Heytings via Emacs development discussions.
2020-09-20  1:18               ` feature/icomplete-vertical Drew Adams
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2020-10-02  6:37 feature/icomplete-vertical Manuel Uberti

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