From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>,
"João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
juri@linkov.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: cl-lib warnings
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2023 22:40:24 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v8lkmd9z.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SQqwHOZ_ko0NHZU8SnnVVCPvMNtsazvPYQEf5wa8G8nKw@mail.gmail.com> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 21 Dec 2022 15:50:52 +0100")
Hello,
On Wed 21 Dec 2022 at 03:50PM +01, Juanma Barranquero wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:22 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
>> Our policy and practice was since long ago that any package which is
>> always or almost always loaded at startup without any user say-so,
>> should be preloaded, since not doing that makes very little sense.
>
> We don't have precise metrics for "always or almost always loaded at startup",
> I think.
>
> But cl-lib is unconditionally required by 191 files under lisp/, right
> now. Including things like desktop, help-fns, help-mode, kmacro,
> imenu, tab-line and package, among many others. And of course vc,
> Calc and Org. And use-package, which will perhaps become the de facto
> way to customize their .emacs for many people.
Eli's the only person who's expressed concern about preloading cl-lib,
but I don't believe he's responded to Juanma's statistics here.
Eli, what do you think about this argument that cl-lib meets the
criteria you stated?
--
Sean Whitton
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-01-06 5:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
[not found] <jwvv8mc4eax.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca>
[not found] ` <86o7s3lsnx.fsf@mail.linkov.net>
2022-12-20 18:42 ` cl-lib warnings (was: bug#60102: Move gv-expander of substring to cl-lib) Stefan Monnier
2022-12-21 8:37 ` cl-lib warnings Juri Linkov
2022-12-21 12:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 12:57 ` João Távora
2022-12-21 13:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:04 ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:35 ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:50 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-21 14:55 ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:57 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-21 15:08 ` João Távora
2022-12-26 3:13 ` Milan Glacier
2022-12-26 15:10 ` João Távora
2022-12-26 23:48 ` Milan Glacier
2022-12-27 0:05 ` João Távora
2022-12-27 3:43 ` Tim Cross
2022-12-27 10:16 ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-27 13:00 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-12-21 17:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 22:33 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-22 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-22 7:23 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-22 8:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-22 22:24 ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-22 23:56 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-23 7:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-23 23:42 ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-24 0:24 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-24 14:08 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-24 14:39 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-24 19:13 ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-12-24 0:26 ` João Távora
2022-12-24 10:33 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-24 11:01 ` João Távora
2022-12-26 0:11 ` cl-loop and plists vs alists Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-26 0:35 ` João Távora
2022-12-26 21:06 ` Bob Rogers
2022-12-24 22:59 ` cl-lib warnings Sean Whitton
2022-12-25 1:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-25 2:39 ` package-initialize was " T.V Raman
2022-12-25 4:11 ` T.V Raman
2022-12-26 0:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-26 2:18 ` T.V Raman
2022-12-25 7:02 ` tomas
2022-12-25 9:55 ` João Távora
2022-12-25 11:33 ` tomas
2022-12-26 4:47 ` Sean Whitton
2022-12-24 6:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-24 13:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-06 5:40 ` Sean Whitton [this message]
2023-01-06 7:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-06 17:58 ` Sean Whitton
2023-01-06 18:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-06 19:03 ` Sean Whitton
2023-01-06 19:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 17:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-24 22:55 ` Sean Whitton
2022-12-25 7:05 ` tomas
2022-12-25 8:29 ` Juri Linkov
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