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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: "Juanma Barranquero" <lekktu@gmail.com>,
	"João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>,
	juri@linkov.net, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: cl-lib warnings
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2023 22:40:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v8lkmd9z.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAAeL0SQqwHOZ_ko0NHZU8SnnVVCPvMNtsazvPYQEf5wa8G8nKw@mail.gmail.com> (Juanma Barranquero's message of "Wed, 21 Dec 2022 15:50:52 +0100")

Hello,

On Wed 21 Dec 2022 at 03:50PM +01, Juanma Barranquero wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 21, 2022 at 3:22 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>  
>> Our policy and practice was since long ago that any package which is
>> always or almost always loaded at startup without any user say-so,
>> should be preloaded, since not doing that makes very little sense.
>   
> We don't have precise metrics for "always or almost always loaded at startup",
> I think.
>
> But cl-lib is unconditionally required by 191 files under lisp/, right
> now.  Including things like desktop, help-fns, help-mode, kmacro,
> imenu, tab-line and package, among many others.  And of course vc,
> Calc and Org. And use-package, which will perhaps become the de facto
> way to customize their .emacs for many people.

Eli's the only person who's expressed concern about preloading cl-lib,
but I don't believe he's responded to Juanma's statistics here.

Eli, what do you think about this argument that cl-lib meets the
criteria you stated?

-- 
Sean Whitton



  parent reply	other threads:[~2023-01-06  5:40 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 61+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <jwvv8mc4eax.fsf@iro.umontreal.ca>
     [not found] ` <86o7s3lsnx.fsf@mail.linkov.net>
2022-12-20 18:42   ` cl-lib warnings (was: bug#60102: Move gv-expander of substring to cl-lib) Stefan Monnier
2022-12-21  8:37     ` cl-lib warnings Juri Linkov
2022-12-21 12:45       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 12:57         ` João Távora
2022-12-21 13:47           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:04             ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:20               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:35                 ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:50                 ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-21 14:55                   ` João Távora
2022-12-21 14:57                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-21 15:08                       ` João Távora
2022-12-26  3:13                         ` Milan Glacier
2022-12-26 15:10                           ` João Távora
2022-12-26 23:48                             ` Milan Glacier
2022-12-27  0:05                               ` João Távora
2022-12-27  3:43                                 ` Tim Cross
2022-12-27 10:16                                   ` Lynn Winebarger
2022-12-27 13:00                                 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-12-21 17:14                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 22:33                     ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-22  7:13                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-22  7:23                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-22  8:53                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-22 22:24                         ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-22 23:56                           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-23  7:30                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-23 23:42                             ` Yuan Fu
2022-12-24  0:24                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-24 14:08                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-24 14:39                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2022-12-24 19:13                                     ` Tomas Hlavaty
2022-12-24  0:26                               ` João Távora
2022-12-24 10:33                                 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-24 11:01                                   ` João Távora
2022-12-26  0:11                                     ` cl-loop and plists vs alists Philip Kaludercic
2022-12-26  0:35                                       ` João Távora
2022-12-26 21:06                                         ` Bob Rogers
2022-12-24 22:59                                 ` cl-lib warnings Sean Whitton
2022-12-25  1:21                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-25  2:39                                     ` package-initialize was " T.V Raman
2022-12-25  4:11                                       ` T.V Raman
2022-12-26  0:01                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-26  2:18                                         ` T.V Raman
2022-12-25  7:02                                     ` tomas
2022-12-25  9:55                                       ` João Távora
2022-12-25 11:33                                         ` tomas
2022-12-26  4:47                                     ` Sean Whitton
2022-12-24  6:40                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-24 13:01                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-01-06  5:40                   ` Sean Whitton [this message]
2023-01-06  7:34                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-06 17:58                       ` Sean Whitton
2023-01-06 18:14                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-06 19:03                           ` Sean Whitton
2023-01-06 19:45                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 14:15             ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-12-21 17:53         ` Stefan Monnier
2022-12-24 22:55           ` Sean Whitton
2022-12-25  7:05             ` tomas
2022-12-25  8:29           ` Juri Linkov

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