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From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, storm@cua.dk
Subject: Re: It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never).
Date: 08 Apr 2004 12:22:53 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87u0zufp7t.fsf-monnier+emacs@alfajor.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200404080203.LAA26847@etlken.m17n.org>

> (1) Release the current RC branch as 21.4.

I don't consider it very useful, but if people want to spend their time on
it I can't stop them.

> (2) Feature freeze on HEAD.
> (3) Merge HEAD into RC branch, and make it 21.4.50.
> (4) Merge Unicode branch into HEAD, and make it 22.0.0.
> (5) Start pretest of 21.5 based on RC.
> (6) Release RC branch as 21.5.
> ...
> (7) Feature freeze on HEAD (i.e. Unicode version)
> (8) Merge HEAD into RC branch, and make it 22.0.50.

I'd offer a very slightly different schedule:
(2) Feature freeze on the trunk NOW
(3) Start pretest from the trunk (maybe after fixing known bugs, but there
    doesn't seem to be many of those, so it seems unnecessary).
(4) When bug-fixing starts to slow down such that some developers feel bored,
    make a new RC branch and move the bug-fixing and pretesting there.
    Those people who are bored can start playing on the trunk again.
(5a) Finish bug-fixing RC and finally Release.
(5b) Merge unicode, multi-tty, and bidi (in this order, but quickly) to the
    trunk.  Branches basically don't get any testing and waste too much of
    our energy with merging, so we should only keep them for code that's
    really unstable or that we don't know whether we'll ever include.
    E.g. if bidi only crashed when you set enable-bidi-display, then it's
    ready for inclusion.
    I'd also like to see the emacs-xft (anti-aliasing) merged in, but AFAIK
    it's not ready yet.
(6) Almost immediately after that: goto number (2).

Note that the plan above tries to reduce the amount of "parallel
development" for two reasons:
- we need to make sure people focus on fixing bugs during the pretest.
- we don't have the manpower to work and test many branches at the same time,
  let alone keep them uptodate w.r.t the trunk.

> Do you intend to skip (1)?  Perhaps, that will be better
> because we can avoid disappointing users who exepect new
> features in the release of this long delay.

Agreed.

> I agree.  But, I think bug-fixing work for 21.5 (or 21.4)
> must be done on RC branch so that (4) can be done promptly
> and we can have more users of Unicode version, which boosts
> the release of 22.1.

You have a point but I think we should only do it when the bug-fixing
frenzy slows down (hopefully this will happen very quickly).
But of course, as soon as the bugs left over are "none of your business",
you'd better start merging rather than twiddle your thumbs.


        Stefan

  parent reply	other threads:[~2004-04-08 16:22 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 187+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2004-03-10 16:25 Compilation to native Matthew Mundell
2004-03-20 21:52 ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-21 19:21   ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-22 16:54     ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-22 21:37       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-03-23 13:56         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-24 23:50           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-24 23:57             ` Miles Bader
2004-03-22 23:44       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 13:57         ` Juri Linkov
2004-03-24 23:51           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 17:47       ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-07 11:57         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-07 12:45           ` David Kastrup
2004-04-07 13:12             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-07 23:52               ` Alex Schroeder
2004-04-08  0:28                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  2:35                 ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08  2:03                   ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  3:13                     ` John Wiegley
2004-04-08  4:25                       ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2004-04-08  5:58                         ` John Wiegley
2004-04-08 11:26                         ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-08  8:46                     ` Jason Rumney
2004-04-08 15:46                       ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:44                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:06                       ` David Kastrup
2004-04-08 16:22                     ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2004-04-09  1:36                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-09 23:43                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-09 23:58                           ` Miles Bader
2004-04-10  0:08                         ` Miles Bader
2004-04-10 18:31                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-10 17:53                             ` Romain Francoise
2004-04-10 22:06                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-11  3:08                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-11 11:04                               ` David Kastrup
2004-04-12  7:48                               ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-11  2:34                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-11  9:06                           ` Miles Bader
2004-04-12  4:24                             ` Miles Bader
2004-04-12 21:10                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-12 20:48                                 ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 17:44                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10 23:19                       ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-08  2:05                   ` Miles Bader
2004-04-08  2:34                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-08  3:39                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-08 16:30                       ` Redisplay crash Stefan Monnier
2004-04-09  1:57                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-13 10:00                           ` Piet van Oostrum
2004-04-18 21:47                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-09 22:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10 18:36                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-12  3:52                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  7:53                   ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Romain Francoise
2004-04-08 16:00                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-08 15:54                       ` Romain Francoise
2004-04-09 22:44                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-10  1:37                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-10  1:09                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-12  3:51                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-14 14:57                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-20 21:30                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-01 20:16                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-01 23:21                                       ` Miles Bader
2004-05-01 21:49                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-02  7:30                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-05-02 16:06                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 18:12                                           ` Nick Roberts
2004-05-02 18:43                                             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-02 20:14                                               ` Nick Roberts
2004-05-03 10:29                                                 ` Jason Rumney
2004-05-03 14:03                                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-03 19:06                                                 ` Jan D.
2004-05-08  1:21                                                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-08 11:14                                                     ` Jan D.
2004-05-08 11:35                                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-05-09 10:38                                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-12 10:00                                                         ` B&W icons (was It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never).) Jan D.
2004-05-02 19:16                                             ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Stefan Monnier
2004-05-02 22:26                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03  5:44                                                 ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03  9:13                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-03  8:52                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-03 13:21                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-03 22:20                                         ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-13 17:14                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-13 21:50                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-13 22:48                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-14 12:18                                             ` YAMAMOTO Mitsuharu
2004-05-14 12:49                                               ` Kenichi Handa
2004-05-03 21:00                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  7:14                                       ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  8:09                                         ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04  8:17                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04  6:34                                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04  8:52                                               ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 13:45                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 13:58                                                   ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04  8:26                                             ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 13:44                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-05-04 14:26                                           ` Juanma Barranquero
2004-05-04 14:37                                           ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 20:07                                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-05-04 22:21                                         ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 21:18                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2004-05-04 23:49                                             ` David Kastrup
2004-05-05  0:23                                               ` Luc Teirlinck
2004-05-05  9:24                                                 ` David Kastrup
2004-05-04 22:24                                           ` Miles Bader
2004-05-05  1:04                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2004-04-12  3:50                             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-12  4:15                               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 17:44                                 ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-16 13:15                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-16 14:38                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-17  1:41                                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-17 17:10                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19  4:40                                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 13:54                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 23:44                                             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 23:59                                               ` Miles Bader
2004-04-20  0:38                                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-12  4:33                               ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-12 21:20                               ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-13  1:30                                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-13 10:37                                   ` Kim F. Storm
     [not found]                       ` <lorentey.g.e.devel.87brlx1wku.elte@eris.elte.hu>
2004-04-14 10:59                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-14 22:53                           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-15  1:19                             ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-15 19:42                               ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-16 18:08                               ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-16 18:49                                 ` David Kastrup
2004-04-16 20:19                                   ` Display-local settings (was: It is time for a feature freeze) Stefan Monnier
2004-04-16 20:38                                     ` David Kastrup
2004-04-16 21:09                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 15:10                                       ` Display-local settings Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-19 17:49                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-20  4:48                                           ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-17 19:46                                   ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Richard Stallman
2004-04-19 15:49                                   ` Display-local variables (Re: It is time for a feature freeze) Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-19 22:09                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-20  4:27                                       ` Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-20 10:18                                         ` Kim F. Storm
2004-04-15 18:18                           ` It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) Lőrentey Károly
2004-04-08  1:08               ` Compilation to native Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  1:31                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-09 22:43                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-08  1:08           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-13 23:12           ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-13 23:40             ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-14  1:17               ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-14  1:54                 ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-15 11:11                 ` Pure strings (Re: Compilation to native) Juri Linkov
2004-04-18 21:47                   ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-19  6:36                     ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 14:20                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-19 23:39                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-04-19 18:20                       ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-20  1:00                         ` Kenichi Handa
2004-03-22 23:42     ` Compilation to native Matthew Mundell
2004-03-23 17:48       ` Richard Stallman
2004-03-23 22:43         ` David Kastrup
2004-03-24 23:52         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 22:18         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 22:30           ` David Kastrup
2004-03-31 18:58             ` Matthew Mundell
2004-03-30 23:31           ` Juri Linkov
2004-04-01  4:42             ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-01  4:42           ` Richard Stallman
2004-04-02 16:38             ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-12 20:20           ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-12 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-13 16:56               ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 17:32                 ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-13 19:03                   ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 21:00                     ` Miles Bader
2004-04-13 21:50                       ` Miles Bader
2004-04-14 22:49                       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:22                       ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-13 20:51                   ` Miles Bader
2004-04-16 14:21                     ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:44                       ` Stefan Monnier
2004-04-16 15:06                         ` Matthew Mundell
2004-04-16 14:20                 ` Matthew Mundell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2004-05-14  7:03 It is time for a feature freeze (it is NOW or never) David PONCE

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