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From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: RFC: Adding BBDB to Emacs core
Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2018 10:19:50 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87muxr8wy1.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <jwvy3hcfdie.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org> (Stefan Monnier's message of "Tue, 24 Apr 2018 18:31:39 -0400")

Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA> writes:

>> As a package author, I have two choices here: either I move to Emacs-27
>> and ditch Emacs-26 support. Or I have to put runtime conditional logic
>> which supports both.
>
> That's right.
>
>> I think package authors should have the choice of freezing the
>> Emacs-26 version of their package when Emacs-27 comes out.
>
> There's a case to be made for allowing ELPA archives to exports several
> versions of a package at the same time, so older Emacsen can still
> install the old version of a package without having to download the old
> version by hand.


Yep. In practice, for my packages this would currently happen at either
24.1 (this is the oldest Emacs I can still compile, and even that
requires a bit of hacking) or 24.4 (the advice change). Being able to
leave a version at this point would be a good thing.


> But I'm not moved by your scenario: adding runtime conditional logic has
> been standard procedure "for ever" and comes with all kinds of
> advantages, such as the ability for older Emacsen to benefit from other
> improvements in the newer versions of your package, or an easier way to
> install&use the package with several different versions of Emacs at the
> same time, ...

Imagine I have left a package for an old version of Emacs. Now I find a
major security bug in the latest version, that I need to back-port to
the old version.

>> This situation would get worse if we have an "unstable" version of
>> ELPA.
>
> I don't see why: "unstable" is just a preview of what will be "stable"
> a few weeks/months later and packages usually preserve compatibility at
> least with Emacsen that are a few years old.
>
>> I bet that there is some package already that depends on Emacs-27
>> at the bleeding edge.
>
> I strongly doubt it.

I haven't tested it yet; to my knowledge there is no routine testing of
ELPA against multiple Emacs versions.

Phil



  parent reply	other threads:[~2018-04-25  9:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-14  5:54 RFC: Adding BBDB to Emacs core Thomas Fitzsimmons
2018-04-14 12:24 ` Joshua Branson
2018-04-14 22:06   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-04-14 22:46     ` Joshua Branson
2018-04-15  6:18       ` Bozhidar Batsov
2018-04-16  5:21         ` John Wiegley
2018-04-16 14:53           ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2018-04-16 18:36             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-16 20:30               ` Eric Abrahamsen
2018-04-17  3:37               ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2018-04-23 12:53             ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-23 13:21               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-23 16:21                 ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-23 17:45                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-24 21:41                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-24 22:31                       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-25  0:42                         ` Paul Eggert
2018-04-25  1:50                           ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-25  9:21                             ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-25 12:02                               ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-25 16:31                                 ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-25 16:57                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-26 14:59                                     ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-25  9:19                         ` Phillip Lord [this message]
2018-04-25 16:04                         ` Radon Rosborough
2018-04-25 16:32                           ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-25 16:55                             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-25 20:16                               ` Radon Rosborough
2018-04-26 15:02                               ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-26 16:38                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-27  9:57                                   ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-27 13:32                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-17  3:23           ` Roland Winkler
2018-04-17  4:56             ` John Wiegley
2018-04-17 13:07             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-17 15:13               ` Roland Winkler
2018-04-18 23:11                 ` Stephen Leake
2018-04-23 12:57             ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-23 13:26             ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-23 15:29               ` Roland Winkler
2018-04-14 22:13   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2018-04-14 13:34 ` Glenn Morris
2018-04-14 17:10   ` Radon Rosborough
2018-04-14 17:38   ` Thomas Fitzsimmons
2018-04-15 21:20   ` Phillip Lord
2018-04-16  3:11     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2018-04-16 12:30       ` Stefan Monnier
2018-04-16 17:09     ` Achim Gratz
2018-04-16 18:10       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-16 18:14         ` Achim Gratz
2018-04-23 12:45       ` Phillip Lord

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