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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" <stephen@xemacs.org>
To: "Perry E. Metzger" <perry@piermont.com>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, kurt@roeckx.be,
	Rob Browning <rlb@defaultvalue.org>,
	rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL.
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:04:12 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87lho04qvn.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20141027153954.08930677@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com>

Perry E. Metzger writes:

 > > While my credentials in security aren't anywhere near as good as
 > > yours, unfortunately, you are obviously an extremist
 > 
 > Whatever. You can keep calling me names all you like -- but it
 > doesn't make your opinion any more correct. Indeed, no matter what
 > names you call people, it won't increase the evidence for your
 > position.

Absolutely correct.  But then I didn't claim it increased the evidence
for *my* position.  I said that it dilutes *your* authority (and you
are an authority AFAICS), in particular when you are claiming that some
particular position of yours is "not extreme".  And that's all I said.

N.B. "Extremism in the defense of freedom is no vice" -- and I
consider contributions to security technology and policy[1] defense of
freedom.  OTOH, extreme policies still need to be justified by the facts.

Footnotes: 
[1]  in the narrow technical sense of "policy", as in "firewall
policy" -- obviously the "security policy" implemented by the border
patrol or whatever they're called these days is not a priori defense
of freedom.




  reply	other threads:[~2014-10-28  7:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 65+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20141022193441.GA11872@roeckx.be>
2014-10-22 20:02 ` Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL Rob Browning
2014-10-22 20:05   ` Rob Browning
2014-10-23 14:03     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-23 15:57       ` Rob Browning
2014-10-24 13:39         ` Ted Zlatanov
2016-02-20 15:28           ` Kurt Roeckx
2016-02-21  2:47             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2017-02-22 20:38               ` Bug#766397: " Antoine Beaupre
2017-04-16 17:28                 ` Rob Browning
2014-10-22 20:14   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-22 21:02   ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-23 16:49     ` Andreas Schwab
2014-10-23 17:29       ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-23 20:36         ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-24  7:01           ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-27 19:42             ` Filipp Gunbin
2014-10-23 16:34   ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-23 18:00     ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-23 18:37       ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 18:43         ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-23 18:57           ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 18:59             ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-23 19:11               ` Kurt Roeckx
2014-10-23 19:42               ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 19:50                 ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-23 20:26                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 21:05                     ` Kurt Roeckx
2014-10-24  2:56                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 21:48                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-24  3:00                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-24 20:51                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-24 21:14                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-24 21:33                         ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-25  0:36                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-25 15:27                           ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-25 15:53                             ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-26  8:15                               ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-26 11:42                                 ` Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
2014-10-26 12:45                                   ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-26  1:42                             ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-26  7:38                               ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-24 21:47                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-25  0:42                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-27 17:17                             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-27 19:39                               ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-28  7:04                                 ` Stephen J. Turnbull [this message]
2014-10-28  7:45                                   ` Thien-Thi Nguyen
2014-10-28  8:44                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-28 13:31                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-28 15:19                                     ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-28 15:33                                       ` Florian Weimer
2014-10-28 16:20                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-28 16:52                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2014-10-28 17:11                                         ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-29  3:19                                       ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-28 15:10                                   ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-29  2:33                                     ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-29  3:06                                       ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-29  7:28                                         ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2014-10-29 11:19                                           ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-23 19:03             ` Kurt Roeckx
2014-10-24 13:35     ` Ted Zlatanov
2014-10-25  7:31       ` Richard Stallman
2014-10-25 14:33         ` Perry E. Metzger
2014-10-25 15:49         ` removing SSLv3 support by default from the Emacs GnuTLS integration (was: Bug#766395: emacs/gnus: Uses s_client to for SSL.) Ted Zlatanov

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