From: phillip.lord@russet.org.uk (Phillip Lord)
To: hw <hw@adminart.net>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, spacibba@aol.com, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Some developement questions
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2018 14:52:40 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k1ntzcgn.fsf@russet.org.uk> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lg897kzl.fsf@toy.adminart.net> (hw@adminart.net's message of "Mon, 10 Sep 2018 11:35:58 +0200")
hw <hw@adminart.net> writes:
>> Are we talking about the same tutorial? Here's the actual text:
>>
>> * BASIC CURSOR CONTROL
>> ----------------------
>>
>> Moving from screenful to screenful is useful, but how do you
>> move to a specific place within the text on the screen?
>>
>> There are several ways you can do this. You can use the arrow keys,
>> but it's more efficient to keep your hands in the standard position
>> and use the commands C-p, C-b, C-f, and C-n. [...]
>
> Yes, we are talking about the same tutorial.
>
> The tutorial uses the first 322 lines (26%) to go on and on about these
> movement keys. It is supposed to be *the* Emacs tutorial, not a
> keyboard tutorial.
>
> Do you really think that *the* Emacs tutorial should use its first 300+
> lines to cover a non-issue? Isn't there anything much more interesting
> and far more important to learn about Emacs?
I have watched people new to Emacs reading the tutorial. "Do I really
need to learn all these keypresses to use Emacs" is what they say. The
answer is no, they don't. It has no place in the tutorial, no.
Phil
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2018-08-17 20:49 ` Some developement questions Ergus
2018-08-18 6:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22 12:34 ` hw
2018-08-22 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22 16:37 ` hw
2018-08-22 17:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-22 22:17 ` hw
2018-08-23 0:20 ` Ergus
2018-08-23 10:50 ` hw
2018-08-23 16:33 ` Ergus
2018-08-23 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-23 8:26 ` Pierre Neidhardt
2018-08-23 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-24 1:00 ` hw
2018-08-24 9:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-25 0:45 ` Ergus
2018-08-26 12:46 ` hw
2018-08-25 1:31 ` hw
2018-08-25 7:35 ` Alexis
2018-08-25 10:34 ` Ergus
2018-08-25 16:11 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-08-25 16:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-25 20:34 ` Ergus
2018-08-26 2:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-26 1:24 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-08-25 20:50 ` Ergus
2018-08-26 1:33 ` hw
2018-08-26 14:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-26 22:51 ` hw
2018-08-27 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-28 20:42 ` hw
2018-08-29 6:59 ` Michael Albinus
2018-08-29 20:10 ` hw
2018-08-31 13:16 ` Michael Albinus
2018-09-01 17:53 ` hw
2018-09-03 13:35 ` Michael Albinus
2018-09-04 14:06 ` hw
2018-08-29 15:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-29 20:52 ` hw
2018-08-29 22:12 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-08-30 23:49 ` hw
2018-09-03 18:56 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-04 14:16 ` hw
2018-09-04 19:47 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-05 20:36 ` hw
2018-09-06 1:33 ` Michael Heerdegen
2018-09-06 5:16 ` Drew Adams
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2018-09-07 7:03 ` hw
2018-09-06 13:48 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-07 7:18 ` hw
2018-09-07 14:10 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-07 21:27 ` hw
2018-09-10 12:29 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-10 18:18 ` hw
2018-09-11 9:51 ` Filipp Gunbin
2018-09-11 20:14 ` hw
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2018-08-30 2:12 ` Davis Herring
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2018-09-01 19:41 ` Joshua Branson
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2018-09-02 18:23 ` Ergus
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2018-09-05 21:48 ` hw
2018-09-01 22:13 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-02 15:39 ` hw
2018-09-02 22:01 ` Juri Linkov
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2018-09-05 22:40 ` hw
2018-08-30 23:30 ` Radon Rosborough
2018-09-01 18:25 ` hw
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2018-09-02 20:42 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
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2018-09-04 15:57 ` hw
2018-08-26 20:41 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-27 2:33 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-27 22:51 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-27 17:11 ` Filipp Gunbin
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2018-08-27 4:59 ` hw
2018-08-27 1:54 ` Ergus
2018-08-27 14:46 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-08-28 21:26 ` Richard Stallman
2018-08-29 15:39 ` Phillip Lord
2018-09-01 13:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-02 3:11 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-02 17:52 ` Ergus
2018-09-04 15:20 ` Phillip Lord
2018-09-04 13:07 ` Phillip Lord
2018-09-05 6:26 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-06 0:29 ` hw
2018-09-07 6:39 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-07 8:01 ` hw
2018-09-07 10:26 ` Phil Sainty
2018-09-07 14:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2018-09-07 14:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-07 16:00 ` Drew Adams
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2018-09-07 16:03 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-07 14:15 ` hw
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2018-09-07 21:03 ` hw
2018-09-07 15:52 ` Drew Adams
2018-09-08 5:13 ` Richard Stallman
2018-09-08 13:02 ` hw
2018-09-08 16:19 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-08 23:23 ` hw
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2018-09-10 19:27 ` hw
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2018-09-09 6:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-09-09 17:18 ` Ergus
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2018-09-07 8:11 ` hw
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2018-09-06 14:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2018-09-06 12:58 ` Phillip Lord
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2018-09-03 22:15 ` debounce (was: Some developement questions) Juri Linkov
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