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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@gmx.de>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Emacs 29.3 released
Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:27:40 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87edbwdqpv.fsf@gmx.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <86o7b0iy5i.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 26 Mar 2024 21:35:53 +0200")

Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:

Hi Eli,

>> It would be possible. I could change the Tramp version in the release
>> branch to the next anticipated release number. So I could change it now
>> to "2.6.3.29.4". However, I see at least two problems:
>>
>> - The Tramp version doesn't guarantee any longer uniqueness. Tramp
>>   2.6.3.29.4 would differ today and tomorrow. That was the reason to use
>>   such an ambiguous version like 2.6.3-pre.
>>
>> - We might run into problems on ELPA. A user sees a builtin version of
>>   Tramp 2.6.3.29.4, but in order to fix something for her there is also
>>   Tramp 2.6.2.9 (let's say). I fear we'll have a hard time to explain,
>>   that 2.6.2.9 is newer than 2.6.3.29.4.
>
> Then perhaps make-tarball.txt needs to say that the version of Tramp
> should be changed from X.Y.Z-pre to X.Y.Z as part of preparing the
> release?  Or even do this automatically in admin/admin.el, as part of
> set-version?

No. Release X.Y.Z would attribute the full release of Tramp, not only
the part which is integrated into Emacs.

>> Perhaps it must not be coordinated with "me" only. A single
>> announcement, that there will be an emergency release within two days
>> would have helped. Usually, I scan Emacs related messages every single day.
>>
>> If I am unavailable that time, so be it. Not worse than now.
>
> Preparation of a release tarball is a precarious job: since we don't
> lock the Git repository while the release is being worked on, it must
> be done very quickly; any commits someone does during the time it
> takes to do all the steps necessary for producing the tarball is a
> setback that requires to go back several steps and start anew.  So any
> additional dependency is a disadvantage I'd like to avoid.

You could start the prepare the release tarball after the grace period.

>> (FWIW, I don't understand yet why 29.3 was such an emergency that it was
>> released w/o any warning in advance.)
>
> Because it makes no sense to announce in advance that Emacs has
> security vulnerabilities.  It's akin to waving the proverbial red flag
> at a bull.

I haven't proposed that such an announcement shall happen. I have only
proposed to send an alert like "Heads up! The next Emacs release will
happen on Sunday!".

Btw, I've got already the first rant that "Tramp 2.6.3-pre" is useless
for determining, whether a given patch is contained in Emacs 29.3. Right
they are!

<https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3624#issuecomment-2022167445>

Best regards, Michael.



  reply	other threads:[~2024-03-27  8:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-03-24 14:14 Emacs 29.3 released Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-24 17:52 ` Corwin Brust
2024-03-24 18:46   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-24 19:36     ` Corwin Brust
2024-03-24 19:46       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-24 19:58         ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27  5:54         ` Corwin Brust
2024-03-24 18:48 ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-24 19:29   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-24 20:10     ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-24 20:20       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26  8:48         ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-26 12:46           ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-26 14:28             ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-26 14:38               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-26 17:50                 ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-26 18:01                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-26 18:48                     ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-26 19:35               ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27  8:27                 ` Michael Albinus [this message]
2024-03-27 12:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27 14:07                     ` Michael Albinus
2024-03-27 16:42                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-03-27 17:35                         ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-03 12:03                           ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-03 12:36                             ` Robert Pluim
2024-04-03 15:01                               ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-03 12:51                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-03 14:56                               ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-04 12:25                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-04-04 12:40                                   ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-04 17:46                                   ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-03-27 15:15                     ` Corwin Brust
2024-03-26 15:32   ` Ulrich Mueller
2024-03-26 18:42     ` Michael Albinus
2024-04-06 15:45 ` Lynn Winebarger
2024-04-06 16:09   ` Eli Zaretskii

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