From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Albinus Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 29.3 released Date: Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:27:40 +0100 Message-ID: <87edbwdqpv.fsf@gmx.de> References: <86edbzyavw.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0fzsbxz.fsf@gmx.de> <86wmprjumv.fsf@gnu.org> <875xxbtmpp.fsf@gmx.de> <86r0fzjs9x.fsf@gnu.org> <87il199y5d.fsf@gmx.de> <865xx9jh3y.fsf@gnu.org> <875xx9f4ol.fsf@gmx.de> <86o7b0iy5i.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="33708"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Mar 27 09:28:46 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rpOeJ-0008VA-J3 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:28:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rpOdR-0002f7-EL; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 04:27:49 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rpOdP-0002eq-6b for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 04:27:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rpOdM-0006bn-F0; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 04:27:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1711528061; x=1712132861; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=/qy8VVlg5TIHpc0NOtPhk+MkISO8d8i+lA4jrYD6SWU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References: Date; b=Ij7P6DUIAl+QpevgAqTRw/ACOnQfOdQY0AKgrgZYQmhRYW3PuZPLHuIeFlicqHr/ KfP8QA458FhvpK6P+4dcEuixng0z1pQ0xYAgj5563CkbQ9wmfoT8vku1pFVrndN7g TzBAU1k5GWxFdzek3FlfWKZpLMGYutQykiSn5+PAgumurxcZkt2yWtTAyeHZEah/4 JAl94i8kc9satrdqEY9I8urRgQL0SwSohfGituR8ZHWP5ltz+jB7QCJUIm+1lYN9Q aRpWU1jgf4V/Cu9/WUBqFp3POdUmcxBAzHVdel9CIR5lW7T2snauZXJO64G2G8OKj XRqWchQnLRqjQbbWUA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Original-Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.16]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MUosT-1sFUBo33E9-00Qnqk; Wed, 27 Mar 2024 09:27:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: <86o7b0iy5i.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 26 Mar 2024 21:35:53 +0200") X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:qSn3NficZJApOvZx/hI4VrMGl7ottK2rQt0AGsFec76kjzJHSzS fRQgKUbGDNE+qQOjxgMeEPjMneZ3zoqcAwc/7Gec2X6uOkXG6+j3HYJks6ejr8lftCc9sN4 rPS9UAW9ZxAaaNItatRROGRuhpGIE3Xi5E4VHqOyFa4YrdSxIcUAGiE3G1/wLKhN8hDG3Tw aPhf49MiwBFhUpDp/UZ8g== UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:QWCnX//h0wI=;nPl+p86ocxbzAneY2RY4aM7j3h+ gMaLdraRbJN9PRKacnAqsrquk+Fbxyw/cSU3LngyDJOTtxqk2NDpFymgpoJ/ap/bXRWwGhJBv H0lP/XQLWod3dPc6shNR7VUgL8t8fALheQZYLc9LsQIBh5jpKnP+oJGnb8byT67hcZUQFEbWJ uryXd+cieBwN4S2b+xVAa/0cQHOSnrUG5wOp5j5NenSc2NnhqyA15f2rfYCnCr01ZzmKf+uJF LUhUZ3ptz5AP8dQH9CLtz1XLYhCOmj7ANaJ8VY9loHe3CWRud7hmIg7AycN9QW7u7RSGFBKsp UP1P/cjuBubI7RicPSkUnGhmiF6NqIYHuYQ66p9MDpaGHaoZ2ferth4fPRoeLphSSOfA8XcZk +LRhGQmi8p0G3LG605+OyNEOafIGOwECaRk4d+HFzBa9ys9I7BOLwqtsr/3534wvl1rX//NpN Mjqyx5WLc3Pq2o6/itJrGjkTqLdX64lS67md0gFTrDWBr/ystPnZ9FGicEIm32hrddLWiGIXW kUrlCryn25j449p0cD2/yhDWebvKhB5v064rdCdj7s3MvmU59NMY6/VFbxCRwmjmRkJuUuwlT xgQ/yGoQNl8bXS1Goqh6fts/vBM/GzvtB2LI37Dj0W98Mwu9mVB325fs63l8DKq3uE88XGgkr 5t2S6TL9elR6xcxk5muqDhx4yIryRjVRKR5B+jJl82ELXKl9tMsMHcpIMvSoDnAViqay8NdEv 0iYzHsJsQhfcWvvENoC2qYPz9t/VSfVmDyRm4qqFjK5wA2DhwT5ct2z7v5EuSJJYg6qvdQxp Received-SPF: pass client-ip=212.227.17.21; envelope-from=michael.albinus@gmx.de; helo=mout.gmx.net X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317325 Archived-At: Eli Zaretskii writes: Hi Eli, >> It would be possible. I could change the Tramp version in the release >> branch to the next anticipated release number. So I could change it now >> to "2.6.3.29.4". However, I see at least two problems: >> >> - The Tramp version doesn't guarantee any longer uniqueness. Tramp >> 2.6.3.29.4 would differ today and tomorrow. That was the reason to us= e >> such an ambiguous version like 2.6.3-pre. >> >> - We might run into problems on ELPA. A user sees a builtin version of >> Tramp 2.6.3.29.4, but in order to fix something for her there is also >> Tramp 2.6.2.9 (let's say). I fear we'll have a hard time to explain, >> that 2.6.2.9 is newer than 2.6.3.29.4. > > Then perhaps make-tarball.txt needs to say that the version of Tramp > should be changed from X.Y.Z-pre to X.Y.Z as part of preparing the > release? Or even do this automatically in admin/admin.el, as part of > set-version? No. Release X.Y.Z would attribute the full release of Tramp, not only the part which is integrated into Emacs. >> Perhaps it must not be coordinated with "me" only. A single >> announcement, that there will be an emergency release within two days >> would have helped. Usually, I scan Emacs related messages every single = day. >> >> If I am unavailable that time, so be it. Not worse than now. > > Preparation of a release tarball is a precarious job: since we don't > lock the Git repository while the release is being worked on, it must > be done very quickly; any commits someone does during the time it > takes to do all the steps necessary for producing the tarball is a > setback that requires to go back several steps and start anew. So any > additional dependency is a disadvantage I'd like to avoid. You could start the prepare the release tarball after the grace period. >> (FWIW, I don't understand yet why 29.3 was such an emergency that it wa= s >> released w/o any warning in advance.) > > Because it makes no sense to announce in advance that Emacs has > security vulnerabilities. It's akin to waving the proverbial red flag > at a bull. I haven't proposed that such an announcement shall happen. I have only proposed to send an alert like "Heads up! The next Emacs release will happen on Sunday!". Btw, I've got already the first rant that "Tramp 2.6.3-pre" is useless for determining, whether a given patch is contained in Emacs 29.3. Right they are! Best regards, Michael.