From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master 927b885 1/3: Disable filtering of commands in M-x completion
Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2021 22:01:16 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87blcih3ar.fsf@mail.linkov.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmmOw5FKWuq+j=bPtg6-fYD3zqSSCGuxajq4Kvt0e=8pQw@mail.gmail.com> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 17 Feb 2021 11:27:11 -0800")
> I think we should take one of the below actions:
>
> a) Add a key to show the unfiltered list of matches in `M-x'.
> (We could use any key, but how about just using `M-x M-x' to show the
> unfiltered list? It would affect recursive minibuffers, but we could
> just require a third `M-x' for that.)
>
> b) Add a new command, e.g. on `C-x x x', that always acts like the old
> `M-x'.
>
> c) Both.
Also maybe a key to toggle filtering in the already active completion
(and a key to toggle sorting).
> I have never understood why Emacs suggests commands for execution in a
> context where they will obviously fail. I think this is a glaring
> deficiency in our default UI -- you are proposed useless commands (that
> won't work there, will screw up your buffer, etc.). No longer doing
> that is in my view a big step forward for Emacs usability.
I have no problem with unrelated commands displayed by M-x,
but for the new option I'd like also to suggest to filter out
commands having "r" in their interactive specs - they signal
an error when the region is not active, so no need to show them.
Also filter out commands with "*" in read-only buffers.
> From the discussions we've had so far, it is my understanding that some
> like to use it for searching for and discovering commands. That is fine
> and valid, and reason for having an option to opt-out of this behavior.
> (I also think we should add a `describe-command' to try to better cover
> this use-case.)
`describe-command' is a very good idea for searching and discovering commands.
> Footnotes:
> [1] Some modes are prudent in saying:
>
> (unless (derived-p 'foo-mode) (user-error "Nope"))
>
> I think up until now this has often been the right and safe thing
> to do, but it has unfortunately been severely underused. Yet it
> still has the deficiency that the command will show up in 'M-x`,
> and it provides no fire-escape.
Isearch mode uses such idiom that when an internal command is called
when Isearch is not active, then it's activated before the command
is executed, with such a guard clause:
(unless isearch-mode (isearch-mode t))
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2021-02-17 19:27 ` master 927b885 1/3: Disable filtering of commands in M-x completion Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 20:01 ` Juri Linkov [this message]
2021-02-17 22:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-18 9:33 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-18 16:25 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 17:22 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-18 18:24 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 19:03 ` Juri Linkov
2021-02-18 19:18 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 19:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 19:47 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 20:11 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 20:22 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 20:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 20:45 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-19 13:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 17:53 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-19 18:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 23:15 ` martin rudalics
2021-02-18 23:32 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-19 8:37 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 17:42 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 19:38 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 19:49 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-18 19:58 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-18 20:26 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-17 20:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-17 20:31 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 20:12 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
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