From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
Cc: oub@mat.ucm.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: RCS: (vc-next-action 1) only New Backend
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 13:40:26 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83twqqpu91.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <871tdulodu.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org>
> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> Cc: oub@mat.ucm.es, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 12:00:45 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> >> Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2015 10:59:24 +0200
> >>
> >> I seem to remember that some RCS-only features were debated and possibly
> >> dropped at that time because ESR (along with a lot of others) were not
> >> terribly sympathetic towards complicating the generic framework because
> >> of the possibility of its continued use (mostly expected to be due to
> >> nostalgia).
> >
> > I guess you are referring to this discussion:
> >
> > http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2014-12/msg01164.html
> >
> > It talks about "rollback", whereas it seems that what was removed
> > includes a possibility to tell RCS how to number the version it is
> > about to commit.
>
> Entirely possible that this is what I remembered. However, the
> responsible commit turns out to be a good match to my vague recollection
> regarding content, commit message, date and author:
>
> commit 2f4f92007956983e6f5cb5136a57ddaa0cd9428e
> Author: Eric S. Raymond <esr@thyrsus.com>
> Date: Mon Dec 1 06:23:10 2014 -0500
>
> VC API simplification: remove ability to set initial revision.
>
> This hasn't made any sense since RCS, and was a dumb stunt then.
>
> * vc/vc.el and all backends: API simplification; init-revision is
> gone, and vc-registered functions no longer take an initial-revision
> argument.
>
> and so my comments regarding the likely reaction to a wish for
> resurrection of that feature are probably not wide off the mark.
I already resurrected it.
The motivation for removing that functionality was that it complicates
the back-ends. I've made the REVISION argument to back-end's checkin
method optional and silently ignored by back-ends that don't support
it, so I don't think the back-ends should be affected, except by
having that optional ignored arg.
There was a similar ability in vc-register. I didn't restore it,
because one can now register as usual and then immediately checkin a
change with a specific version, thus allowing a reasonably convenient
workaround without any need to change the back-ends yet again.
(If I knew that removing this "rollback" also removes the ability to
force a revision at checkin time, I'd have objected to the removal.
But that never came up, AFAIR; instead, the only issue discussed at
length was the meaning of "rollback" for modern VCSes.)
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-09-19 10:40 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 62+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-09-18 15:39 RCS: (vc-next-action 1) only New Backend Uwe Brauer
2015-09-18 17:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-18 20:46 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 8:46 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 8:59 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-19 9:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 9:36 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 10:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 9:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 10:00 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-19 10:30 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 10:40 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-09-19 10:58 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-19 11:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 12:29 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 14:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 21:15 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 16:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-19 17:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 17:41 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-19 17:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 19:44 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-19 21:14 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 22:42 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-20 6:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 13:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-20 14:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 16:27 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-20 17:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 17:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 19:25 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-20 19:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 20:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 6:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 2:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 2:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 6:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 14:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 16:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 16:48 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 16:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 17:33 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 19:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-21 5:30 ` David Kastrup
2015-09-21 13:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-21 7:08 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 23:54 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-09-21 6:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-20 6:03 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 20:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-19 9:31 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 17:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-19 17:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 20:18 ` Stefan Monnier
2015-09-20 6:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 9:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 9:35 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-19 10:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-09-19 10:35 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-20 10:05 ` Uwe Brauer
2015-09-20 10:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
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