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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com,
	spwhitton@spwhitton.name, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: PGTK-related misconceptions
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:56:34 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83sfq9vcod.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <878rs1by4p.fsf@gmail.com> (message from Tim Cross on Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:18:07 +1000)

> From: Tim Cross <theophilusx@gmail.com>
> Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2022 12:18:07 +1000
> Cc: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
>  Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>
> 
> I agree. I think this is the main point being missed by others who have
> argued the existing documentation is clear enough. Like it or not,
> people often don't read the documentation or NEWS file carefully. There
> is also a tendency for people to believe any new feature is an
> improvement and I suspect many people will think a pure GTK build is
> going to be better than a hybrid X/GTK one. 
> 
> We should just add a very explicit and clear warning not to use
> --with-pgtk if your running under X and put this statement right at the
> beginning of the section in the NEWS file about this new option. 

Aren't you contradicting yourself here?  If people don't read
documentation, how can any addition to the documentation solve this
issue?  (Of course, I don't object to saying something in INSTALL
about that, just pointing out that it's hard to have it both ways.)

> It might even be worthwhile adding a warning in configure as well (like
> the one we have about pop support).

I object to annoying people who build Emacs with such warnings.
Besides, warnings (as opposed to errors) in the configure script are
easily overlooked, because people tend to leave the build run
unattended, and do other useful things while it runs.

> Like others, I expect many distributions are going to bundle
> emacs-gtk believing it is an improvement. I suspect it is going to
> be a bigger issue given that some popular distributions, like
> fedora, will be shipping with wayland as their default but there
> will likely be many who will choose to switch back to X, but then be
> faced with an Emacs built with pgtk to better support the default
> wayland setup.

IME, there's nothing we can do against such misconceptions.  We will
get bug reports and will respond by pointing people to NEWS and
INSTALL.  Eventually, enough people will bump into this to realize the
truth, and the issue will go away.  No catastrophe that I could spot,
and no need to get too excited.



  reply	other threads:[~2022-04-19  5:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <DM5PR03MB3163BBCF9626AD3B88900011C5EE9@DM5PR03MB3163.namprd03.prod.outlook.com>
2022-04-15  2:29 ` PGTK-related misconceptions Po Lu
2022-04-15  7:11   ` Byung-Hee HWANG
2022-04-15 16:24   ` Eric Abrahamsen
2022-04-18  5:18   ` Sean Whitton
2022-04-18  5:31     ` Po Lu
2022-04-18  5:43       ` Sean Whitton
2022-04-18  5:57         ` Po Lu
2022-04-18 18:27           ` Sean Whitton
2022-04-18 19:49           ` Jim Porter
2022-04-19  1:02             ` Po Lu
2022-04-19  2:46               ` Sean Whitton
2022-04-19  2:18             ` Tim Cross
2022-04-19  5:56               ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-04-19  8:13                 ` Tim Cross
2022-04-19 10:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-04-19  9:10   ` Dirk-Jan C. Binnema
2022-04-19 10:42     ` Po Lu
2022-04-19 11:53     ` Phil Sainty
2022-04-19 13:58       ` Sean Whitton
2022-04-20  3:29         ` Phil Sainty
2022-04-20  4:48           ` Stefan Monnier
2022-04-19 16:51       ` Yuri Khan
2022-04-22  5:44         ` Pankaj Jangid
2022-04-18 21:50 Trey
2022-04-19  0:59 ` Po Lu
2022-04-19  3:28   ` Trey Peacock
2022-04-19  4:27     ` Po Lu
2022-04-19 23:02       ` Trey Peacock
2022-04-20  0:48         ` Po Lu
2022-04-20  2:33           ` Trey Peacock
2022-04-20  4:05             ` Po Lu
2022-07-25 21:18     ` Akira Kyle
2022-07-26  2:08       ` Po Lu
2022-07-26 12:10         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-07-26 12:35           ` Po Lu
2022-07-29 14:26             ` Stefan Monnier
2022-07-30  0:58               ` Po Lu
2022-07-26 21:36         ` Akira Kyle
2022-07-27  2:48           ` Po Lu
2022-07-27  8:34             ` Trey Peacock
2022-07-27  9:10               ` Po Lu
2022-07-27 13:45                 ` Trey Peacock
2022-07-27 13:52                   ` Po Lu
2022-07-28  1:39             ` Akira Kyle
2022-07-28  2:50               ` Po Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-04-20  7:52 Trey Peacock
2022-04-20  8:25 ` Po Lu
2022-04-20 13:13   ` Brian Cully

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