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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
Cc: phst@google.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/3] Don't print "process finished" into the stderr buffer.
Date: Sat, 20 Apr 2019 10:30:59 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83imv9b0b0.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkQaBFyyKem-NXmjDsRsFJevpt=zpmDO0D9K3aCm4kUXzg@mail.gmail.com> (message from Philipp Stephani on Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:28:32 +0200)

> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 21:28:32 +0200
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>, Philipp Stephani <phst@google.com>
> 
> > But I'm guessing that the current behavior was unexpected for some
> > reason, and that's why you looked in the documentation.  If the guess
> > is correct, could you describe why it was unexpected/unwanted?
> 
> It's unexpected that Emacs writes something. This is an instance of
> the general case that by default you expect nothing to happen instead
> of something, unless you request the "something". For example, after
> $ echo foo > bar
> would you expect that the file "bar" contains content other than
> "foo\n" because the shell decides to write additional text before
> closing redirections? This is the same thing.

But Emacs does that for ages, so in Emacs this is veteran behavior of
the default sentinel function.

> The documentation for make-process doesn't state that if :stderr is a
> buffer, make-process creates a pipe process with the default sentinel;

Actually, it does, albeit in the parent section:

     Alternatively, you could use the ‘:stderr’ parameter with a non-‘nil’
  value in a call to ‘make-process’ (*note make-process: Asynchronous
  Processes.) to make the destination of the error output separate from
  the standard output; in that case, Emacs will use pipes for
  communicating with the subprocess.



  reply	other threads:[~2019-04-20  7:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-04 12:02 [PATCH 1/3] Document that 'make-process' mixes the output streams Philipp Stephani
2018-04-04 12:02 ` [PATCH 2/3] Don't print "process finished" into the stderr buffer Philipp Stephani
2018-04-04 13:14   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-07 20:21     ` Philipp Stephani
2018-04-08 13:13       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-10  4:14         ` Stephen Leake
2018-04-10  4:59           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-19 19:28         ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-20  7:30           ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2019-04-21 13:55             ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-21 19:09               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-21 20:57             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-22  9:37               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 14:43                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-04-22 15:23                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-04-22 15:45                     ` Philipp Stephani
2019-04-22 15:52                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 12:02 ` [PATCH 3/3] Inherit process output coding system to stderr process Philipp Stephani
2018-04-04 13:39   ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-07 21:12     ` Philipp Stephani
2018-04-08 13:18       ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-08 16:39         ` Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-04 13:12 ` [PATCH 1/3] Document that 'make-process' mixes the output streams Eli Zaretskii
2018-04-07 20:18   ` Philipp Stephani

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