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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: First draft of the Emacs website
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 10:42:10 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <838u5aip0d.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJnXXohjRocvhjy5k7H=QVhq-B_s54dTeTtxeissZKak8fASrQ@mail.gmail.com>

> Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 18:26:16 -0500
> From: John Yates <john@yates-sheets.org>
> Cc: Emacs developers <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> You and I are old "grey beards". My point was that mentioning things that we -
> as seasoned users of Emacs - like is quite a bit different from imagining the
> website as a sales pitch to someone who has not used Emacs but _might_ - given
> an appropriate message - be coaxed into trying it. If you accept such messaging
> as the site's first goal then you have to try to put yourself in the mindset of
> such a viewer.
> 
> Your comments suggest that perhaps you do not buy into that being the first
> goal.

FWIW, I don't think there should be "the goal", in singular, for such
a Web site.  The stuff there should try to target diverse interests,
and let everyone pick up what they are most interested in.  Trying to
target some virtual newbie, and pretend we know very well what will
turn them on or off is bound to break at some point, IMO.

For example, the GDB front-end might very well interest someone who
needs to debug C/C++/Fortran code on GNU/Linux, where there's no
alternative, at least not out of the box, that is better.  I remember
showing that UI (when it was still not the default one) to several
developers that came from VS, and they never wanted anything else ever
since.  So mentioning it doesn't sound such a silly idea to me, after
all.

I believe the same could be true with other aspects.  E.g., is it such
a preposterous assumption that someone might be interested in coding
in Lisp, instead of all the ad-hoc extension languages invented by
other editors?

In sum, it might be TRT to diversify a bit.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-12-04  8:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 111+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-28 23:29 First draft of the Emacs website Nicolas Petton
2015-11-28 23:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-11-29  0:03 ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-11-29  1:02 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-29  1:26   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29  2:19     ` Alex Dunn
2015-11-29  3:31       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-11-29  5:42         ` Random832
2015-11-29  8:15           ` David Caldwell
2015-11-29 14:25             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-30 17:49             ` Emacs for Mac OS X bundle (was: First draft of the Emacs website) John Wiegley
2015-11-30 20:02               ` Emacs for Mac OS X bundle David Caldwell
2015-12-01  0:15                 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-01  1:40                   ` David Caldwell
2015-11-30  0:02     ` First draft of the Emacs website Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-29  8:06 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-11-29 10:27   ` Zack Piper
2015-11-29 12:36     ` Rasmus
2015-11-29 12:58       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 14:00       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-29 10:15 ` David Engster
2015-11-29 12:56   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 15:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-29 19:38   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 22:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-29 22:11       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 16:21 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2015-11-29 19:39   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 21:45 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-29 22:11   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30  0:04     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-30  1:29       ` Alex Dunn
2015-11-30  9:43         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-30 10:33           ` Dani Moncayo
2015-11-30 15:22             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-30 16:06   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30 16:16     ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-30 16:23       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-01 14:37     ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-01 14:56       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30 19:48 ` Milan Zamazal
2015-12-02 16:45   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-02 17:22     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 16:36 ` Random832
2015-12-02 17:12   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:07     ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 18:26       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:29       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:30         ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 23:47   ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-04  3:57     ` Random832
2015-12-04  5:17       ` License of the Emacs website (was: Re: First draft of the Emacs website) Chad Brown
2015-12-05  0:19       ` First draft of the Emacs website Richard Stallman
2015-12-03 13:58 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-03 22:17   ` John Yates
2015-12-03 22:30     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-03 22:57     ` Drew Adams
2015-12-03 23:26       ` John Yates
2015-12-04  0:58         ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 13:05           ` Valentijn
2015-12-08 15:09             ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 15:21               ` Spencer Boucher
2015-12-08 16:08                 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-08 20:52                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-08 21:51                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 21:58                     ` Drew Adams
2015-12-09 21:00                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-10  5:28                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-10  9:10                       ` David Kastrup
2015-12-10  5:27                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-10 16:13                     ` Python vs Lisp (followups to -tangents) Random832
2015-12-10 18:40                       ` Sam Steingold
2015-12-10 22:31                         ` Random832
2015-12-16 15:57                           ` Sam Steingold
2015-12-16 17:56                           ` Christopher Allan Webber
2015-12-09  6:06                 ` First draft of the Emacs website Richard Stallman
2015-12-04  6:06         ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04  9:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04  9:42             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04 10:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04 10:42                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-04 10:44                 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04 11:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04 22:26                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-04 22:30                     ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04  8:42         ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2015-12-03 23:59     ` Clément Pit--Claudel
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-12-02 12:47 H.Tsurumoto
2015-12-02 13:07 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-02 14:55   ` Random832
2015-12-02 15:16     ` David Kastrup
2015-12-02 15:39       ` Drew Adams
2015-12-02 15:42       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 15:53         ` David Kastrup
2015-12-02 16:07           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 15:55         ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 15:57           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 16:05             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-02 16:07             ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 16:08           ` Random832
2015-12-03  6:22         ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-03  9:29           ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-03  9:59             ` Alexis
2015-12-03 10:51               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-04  5:22                 ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-04  9:07                   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-04  5:22             ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-04  9:36               ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-03  6:21   ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-02 14:14 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 16:39   ` David Engster

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