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From: Random832 <random832@fastmail.com>
To: emacs-tangents@gnu.org
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Python vs Lisp (followups to -tangents)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 16:13:30 +0000 (UTC)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <n4c8ba$80v$1@ger.gmane.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: E1a6tlP-00024E-3G@fencepost.gnu.org

On 2015-12-10, Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
> I looked at this some years ago, and I concluded there is only a
> little validity in it.  The main essential features of Lisp are not
> present in Python.

For some clue of what you're talking about, your previous
statement on this matter was:

> I skimmed documentation of Python after people told me it was
> fundamentally similar to Lisp. My conclusion is that that is
> not so. `read', `eval', and `print' are all missing in Python.

I must admit, I don't fully understand what you mean by this.

Print is the most confusing. As a feature, Lisp's 'print' can be
described as: Produce a string representation which can be read
back of some objects (certainly not *all* objects - not buffers
or subroutines, for example, and it's not structure-preserving
for lists of lists), and display it on standard output.
Python's 'repr' could be regarded as an exact match in concept
for prin1-to-string, a building block from which Lisp's 'print'
can be trivially made. The essential feature - that there is a
way to get a string that can be read back for objects for which
it is reasonable/easy - is present.

Python's 'eval'/'exec' normally evaluates code directly from a
string, skipping the need for 'read' entirely. However, if
desired, the 'ast' module provides a rich framework for working
with expression trees - the only difference is that they're
built from class-based objects instead of just being a list of
lists/symbols/literals.




  reply	other threads:[~2015-12-10 16:13 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 87+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-11-28 23:29 First draft of the Emacs website Nicolas Petton
2015-11-28 23:51 ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-11-29  0:03 ` Daniel Pimentel
2015-11-29  1:02 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-29  1:26   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29  2:19     ` Alex Dunn
2015-11-29  3:31       ` Jean-Christophe Helary
2015-11-29  5:42         ` Random832
2015-11-29  8:15           ` David Caldwell
2015-11-29 14:25             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-30 17:49             ` Emacs for Mac OS X bundle (was: First draft of the Emacs website) John Wiegley
2015-11-30 20:02               ` Emacs for Mac OS X bundle David Caldwell
2015-12-01  0:15                 ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-01  1:40                   ` David Caldwell
2015-11-30  0:02     ` First draft of the Emacs website Xue Fuqiao
2015-11-29  8:06 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-11-29 10:27   ` Zack Piper
2015-11-29 12:36     ` Rasmus
2015-11-29 12:58       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 14:00       ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-11-29 10:15 ` David Engster
2015-11-29 12:56   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 15:17 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-29 19:38   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 22:01     ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-11-29 22:11       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 16:21 ` Christopher Allan Webber
2015-11-29 19:39   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-29 21:45 ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-29 22:11   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30  0:04     ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-30  1:29       ` Alex Dunn
2015-11-30  9:43         ` Artur Malabarba
2015-11-30 10:33           ` Dani Moncayo
2015-11-30 15:22             ` Drew Adams
2015-11-30 16:06   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30 16:16     ` Yuri Khan
2015-11-30 16:23       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-01 14:37     ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-01 14:56       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-11-30 19:48 ` Milan Zamazal
2015-12-02 16:45   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-02 17:22     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 16:36 ` Random832
2015-12-02 17:12   ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:07     ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 18:26       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:29       ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-02 18:30         ` Yuri Khan
2015-12-02 23:47   ` Xue Fuqiao
2015-12-04  3:57     ` Random832
2015-12-04  5:17       ` License of the Emacs website (was: Re: First draft of the Emacs website) Chad Brown
2015-12-05  0:19       ` First draft of the Emacs website Richard Stallman
2015-12-03 13:58 ` Clément Pit--Claudel
2015-12-03 22:17   ` John Yates
2015-12-03 22:30     ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-03 22:57     ` Drew Adams
2015-12-03 23:26       ` John Yates
2015-12-04  0:58         ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 13:05           ` Valentijn
2015-12-08 15:09             ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 15:21               ` Spencer Boucher
2015-12-08 16:08                 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-08 20:52                 ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-08 21:51                   ` Drew Adams
2015-12-08 21:58                     ` Drew Adams
2015-12-09 21:00                     ` Marcin Borkowski
2015-12-10  5:28                     ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-10  9:10                       ` David Kastrup
2015-12-10  5:27                   ` Richard Stallman
2015-12-10 16:13                     ` Random832 [this message]
2015-12-10 18:40                       ` Python vs Lisp (followups to -tangents) Sam Steingold
2015-12-10 22:31                         ` Random832
2015-12-16 15:57                           ` Sam Steingold
2015-12-16 17:56                           ` Christopher Allan Webber
2015-12-09  6:06                 ` First draft of the Emacs website Richard Stallman
2015-12-04  6:06         ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04  9:37           ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04  9:42             ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04 10:11               ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04 10:42                 ` Nicolas Petton
2015-12-04 10:44                 ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04 11:03                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-04 22:26                   ` Paul Eggert
2015-12-04 22:30                     ` David Kastrup
2015-12-04  8:42         ` Eli Zaretskii
2015-12-03 23:59     ` Clément Pit--Claudel

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