From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..."
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:32:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <558C492E.9000705@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu>
On 06/25/2015 07:36 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:
> The proposed approach would mishandle many cases where the things being
> quoted are not typical Lisp identifiers. E.g.:
>
> "Press ‘h’ for complete help; press ‘?’ repeatedly for a summary"
> "Make ‘funcall/apply’ form to map SOURCE-ARGLIST to TARGET-ARGLIST...."
> "... Example: ‘(ad-map-arglists '(a &rest args) '(w x y z))’ will return
> ..."
We already have a different regexp that will handle those. It's not an
insurmountable problem either way.
> Also, the proposed approach won't easily generalize to diagnostics,
> which often quote non-identifiers like ‘%s’.
Same here.
> There's also a UI problem:
> ot would cause action-at-a-distance, because typing an apostrophe in one
> place in the buffer would visually alter a part of the line many
> characters away.
Just like typing a double-quote will make Emacs consider the rest of the
buffer a string literal? Not that big a problem.
> Most of the advantages you mention for the proposed approach are also
> advantages of the approach in master. With the current approach, the
> Emacs sources don't need to be changed,
Because you already changed them?
You'd still have to propagate those changes (which a sizable number of
people expressed dislike for), to all third-party Elisp code out there.
> The main advantage of the proposed approach over the current master is
> that the source code often can still contain grave accent and apostrophe
> unmodified, even though people reading and editing the source code will
> see curved quotes. To my mind this is more a recipe for confusion than
> anything else -- at least, I wouldn't want to inflict it on Emacs
> newcomers.
We can keep it disabled by default, if you like. Unlike the
substitute-command-keys approach, font-lock is flexible that way.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-06-25 18:32 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-06-25 14:59 A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 15:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 16:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 17:00 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 20:48 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 21:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:15 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:25 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:41 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:52 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 15:00 ` raman
2015-06-25 18:32 ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2015-06-25 22:17 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:38 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26 2:35 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 12:06 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 17:28 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 17:53 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 21:09 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 1:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 15:20 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 20:27 ` Escaping quotes in docstrings, Was: " Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01 2:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02 0:09 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-02 6:57 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02 9:46 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06 6:12 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 12:07 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06 16:30 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 22:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-07 7:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-07 8:39 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-01 1:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-01 21:05 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 6:56 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 12:51 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 15:13 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 18:31 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 8:49 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-08-02 19:16 ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27 17:57 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 23:12 ` João Távora
2015-06-26 7:40 ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-26 14:54 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 15:03 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 20:58 ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:34 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:40 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:45 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:55 ` Dmitry Gutov
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