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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Paul Eggert <eggert@cs.ucla.edu>,
	Oleh Krehel <ohwoeowho@gmail.com>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..."
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2015 21:32:14 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <558C492E.9000705@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <558C2E25.10303@cs.ucla.edu>

On 06/25/2015 07:36 PM, Paul Eggert wrote:

> The proposed approach would mishandle many cases where the things being
> quoted are not typical Lisp identifiers.  E.g.:
>
> "Press ‘h’ for complete help; press ‘?’ repeatedly for a summary"
> "Make ‘funcall/apply’ form to map SOURCE-ARGLIST to TARGET-ARGLIST...."
> "... Example: ‘(ad-map-arglists '(a &rest args) '(w x y z))’ will return
> ..."

We already have a different regexp that will handle those. It's not an 
insurmountable problem either way.

> Also, the proposed approach won't easily generalize to diagnostics,
> which often quote non-identifiers like ‘%s’.

Same here.

> There's also a UI problem:
> ot would cause action-at-a-distance, because typing an apostrophe in one
> place in the buffer would visually alter a part of the line many
> characters away.

Just like typing a double-quote will make Emacs consider the rest of the 
buffer a string literal? Not that big a problem.

> Most of the advantages you mention for the proposed approach are also
> advantages of the approach in master.  With the current approach, the
> Emacs sources don't need to be changed,

Because you already changed them?

You'd still have to propagate those changes (which a sizable number of 
people expressed dislike for), to all third-party Elisp code out there.

> The main advantage of the proposed approach over the current master is
> that the source code often can still contain grave accent and apostrophe
> unmodified, even though people reading and editing the source code will
> see curved quotes.  To my mind this is more a recipe for confusion than
> anything else -- at least, I wouldn't want to inflict it on Emacs
> newcomers.

We can keep it disabled by default, if you like. Unlike the 
substitute-command-keys approach, font-lock is flexible that way.



  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-06-25 18:32 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-06-25 14:59 A simple solution to "Upcoming loss of usability ..." Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 15:37 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 16:36 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 17:00   ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-25 20:48     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 21:10       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:15         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:25           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:41             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:52               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 15:00         ` raman
2015-06-25 18:32   ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2015-06-25 22:17     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:38       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-26  2:35         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 12:06           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 17:28             ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-27 17:53               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-27 21:09                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28  1:04                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 15:20                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-28 20:27                       ` Escaping quotes in docstrings, Was: " Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-28 23:29                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-01  2:56                           ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02  0:09                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-02  6:57                               ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-02  9:46                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06  6:12                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 12:07                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-06 16:30                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-06 22:10                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-07-07  7:54                                         ` Paul Eggert
2015-07-07  8:39                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-01  1:36                                             ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-01 21:05                                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02  6:56                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 12:51                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02 15:13                                                     ` Paul Eggert
2015-08-02 18:31                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-08-02  8:49                                                 ` Przemysław Wojnowski
2015-08-02 19:16                                                   ` Drew Adams
2015-06-27 17:57               ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 23:12       ` João Távora
2015-06-26  7:40       ` Oleh Krehel
2015-06-26 14:54         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-26 15:03           ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 20:58   ` Alan Mackenzie
2015-06-25 22:34     ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:40       ` Dmitry Gutov
2015-06-25 22:45         ` Paul Eggert
2015-06-25 22:55           ` Dmitry Gutov

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