AUCTeX Mode

AUCTeX Mode

[Jürgen Fenn]

Hello,

I just would like to ask why AUCTeX mode still isn't a part of Emacs?
Why has the olden TeX mode still not been replaced by AUCTeX?

Thanks in advance.

Regards,
Jürgen (using AUCTeX since I started using LaTeX some ten years ago in
NTEmacs...)

AUCTeX Mode

[Stephen J. Turnbull]

Jürgen Fenn writes:
 > Hello,
 > 
 > I just would like to ask why AUCTeX mode still isn't a part of Emacs?

Because it's not wholly-owned by the FSF, and despite heroic efforts
by one David Kastrup inter alia, AFAIK it's unlikely to achieve that
status any time soon.

For further information, you should ask on AUCTeX channels.

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Stefan Monnier]

>> I just would like to ask why AUCTeX mode still isn't a part of Emacs?
> Because it's not wholly-owned by the FSF, and despite heroic efforts
> by one David Kastrup inter alia, AFAIK it's unlikely to achieve that
> status any time soon.

Actually, things have changed over time: nowadays it pretty much is,
hence its place in ELPA.  We could move it from ELPA to Emacs without
any legal trouble.

        Stefan "Using `plain' latex-mode very happily, especially liking
                the C-c C-c command"

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Angelo Graziosi]

Stefan Monnier wrote:

> We could move it from ELPA to Emacs without
> any legal trouble.

Do it soon, then... :-)

Thanks,
Angelo.

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Angelo Graziosi]

aquamacs has AUCTeX by default...


Il 27/01/2012 9.29, Angelo Graziosi ha scritto:
> Stefan Monnier wrote:
>
>> We could move it from ELPA to Emacs without
>> any legal trouble.
>
> Do it soon, then... :-)
>
> Thanks,
> Angelo.

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Jürgen Fenn]

Am 29. Januar 2012 11:00 schrieb Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it>:
> aquamacs has AUCTeX by default...

No point against finally including it in Emacs proper.

Regards,
Jürgen.

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Angelo Graziosi]

Hi guys...

any news? which is the final decision?

Thanks,
   Angelo.

Il 29/01/2012 12.15, Jürgen Fenn ha scritto:
> Am 29. Januar 2012 11:00 schrieb Angelo Graziosi<angelo.graziosi@alice.it>:
>> aquamacs has AUCTeX by default...
>
> No point against finally including it in Emacs proper.

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Chong Yidong]

Angelo Graziosi <angelo.graziosi@alice.it> writes:

> Hi guys...
>
> any news? which is the final decision?

We won't do it in Emacs 24.1 for sure, since we are well into pretest.

I have no major objection to including AUCTeX in future Emacs releases,
if the AUCTeX developers are amenable and willing to help do the
integration work (stuff like using define-derived-mode and
completion-at-point).

(Personally, I prefer using tex-mode.el because AUCTeX "feels" a bit too
heavyweight for me, but I can see how AUCTeX's features would be a draw
for most.)

Re: AUCTeX Mode

[Stefan Monnier]

>> any news? which is the final decision?
> We won't do it in Emacs 24.1 for sure, since we are well into pretest.

FWIW, I'm not generally happy with keeping large externally-maintained
packages in the Emacs repository, because synchronization is always
a source of trouble.  Gnus currently works very well (which has not
always been the case), with a smooth two-way sync done on a very regular
basis, but this requires manual work, i.e. someone dedicated, and noone
knows what will happen when this someone loses interest (which will
happen sooner or later).
I.e. good will and general agreement on both sides (which can usually
be taken for granted, luckily) is often insufficient.

So I think that if we move AUCTeX into the main `emacs/trunk'
repository, that should mean that either there's some well-oiled two-way
sync going on, or the Emacs repository is made to be "the canonical
upstream" for AUCTeX.

Another option is to keep AUCTeX in `emacs/elpa' and include it in the
distributed tarballs.  I think such a setup is a good strategy for
several packages.  But for that, someone needs to figure out how to do
it (it = include some ELPA packages in the Emacs tarball).  


        Stefan