From: PPAATT@aol.com
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, Kai.Grossjohann@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE
Subject: Re: bindings reserved for users
Date: Tue, 23 Apr 2002 09:47:05 EDT [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3b.25a27f0c.29f6bfd9@aol.com> (raw)
> > > From: rms@gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
...
> > > Since such characters are not available
> > > on all terminals, ...
> > > People won't want to use these keys
> > > in major modes or minor modes
> > > meant for general use.
...
> > ... Emacs by default already does bind
> > infamously country-specific keys ...
> > insert ... C-] ... C-[
...
> Date: 4/22/02 1:47:52 AM MDT
> From: rms@gnu.org (Richard Stallman)
...
> None of those keys is country-specific ...
> C-[ and C-] are ASCII characters.
> INSERT is a function key.
...
> ... we were talking about
> country-specific *letters*
Some key assumption here remains as yet unvoiced.
Agreed, [ and ] are chars of ASCII, and Insert is a
word.
But the idea of putting these particular labels on
keys of the keyboard is peculiarly American. Even
America is divided over the Insert key: keyboards from
Apple of California USA lack an Insert key.
> C-[ and C-] are ASCII characters.
Do we mean to say ^[ and ^] are in some sense ASCII
chars?
> > in some sense ASCII chars
I think of Emacs as binding keys in terms of what they
conventionally self-insert.
For example, we don't say end-of-buffer is on
Meta+Shift+Dot. We say M->. We don't comment on the
local issue of whether Shift+Dot or some other key
chord conventionally self-inserts >.
This attitude led me to expect I could easily change
the binding of anything local conventions tells me I
can self-insert, like ALL the letters of the local
alphabet.
Somehow this is wrong thinking.
How is labelling a punctuation key ] less peculiarly
American than labelling a letter key ñ is peculiarly
Spanish?
Do we mean to say, to use Emacs, I should first learn
to type all of the ASCII chars, and then all of the
other keys typical of an American IBM PC keyboard?
And anything American that I can't discover how to
type, I should just forget it? (Except that C-q
quoted-insert will let me insert it by octal code e.g.
C-q 1 0 1.)
> > infamously country-specific
Part of the infamy is that C compilers see ??( and ??)
as meaning [ and ] precisely because [ and ] do not
appear in the ISO 646 "international" "repertoire" of chars.
Pat LaVarre
http://members.aol.com/plscsi/emacs/emacs-deja-vu.html
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2002-04-23 13:47 PPAATT [this message]
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2002-04-26 15:30 bindings reserved for users PPAATT
2002-04-26 15:45 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-24 12:45 PPAATT
2002-04-21 13:49 PPAATT
2002-04-22 7:47 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 9:32 ` Stefan Monnier
2002-04-20 12:13 PPAATT
2002-04-18 20:47 PPAATT
2002-04-17 14:14 Kai Großjohann
2002-04-18 18:44 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-18 19:37 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-20 17:28 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-22 11:29 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-04-22 18:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-22 20:10 ` Simon Josefsson
2002-04-23 6:49 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-23 19:29 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 6:05 ` Richard Stallman
2002-04-25 11:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2002-04-26 8:52 ` Florian Weimer
2002-04-23 10:48 ` Kai Großjohann
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