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From: Peter Flynn <peter@silmaril.ie>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org,  psgml-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 23:25:00 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3E21F94C.7070203@silmaril.ie> (raw)
In-Reply-To: m18XkvS-000IeBC@localhost

Robert J. Chassell wrote:
[generating DTDs]
> Yes, and when you include such a program written in Emacs Lisp in
> Psgml mode, then you are providing another tool to handle
> `graceful degredation'.  

That would be a great tool.

> Please understand, no one wants to provide a broken file to someone
> else; that is not what the discussion is about.

No, but a lot of people who don't grok the fullness of SGML believe
that supplying a file with pointy brackets is sufficient.

> As a user of Emacs, I have received broken or corrupted files from
> other people and had to fix them.  GNU Emacs has made this action
> easier than it would be otherwise.  The issue is whether or not to
> continue to provide at least some tools for handling corrupt or broken
> SGML or XML files that you receive.

I don't think it's that so much as whether users should be allowed to
assume (wrongly) that sgml-mode is the canonical authoritative mode
for handling SGML. Currently there is that risk, simply because of the
name, which is there for historical reasons. This is a bit like saying
that you can use (say) text-mode for writing programs because it does
at least recognise matched parentheses. My argument was that this view
is inadequate and unfair to the user, especially the new user, and that
I would prefer to see psgml-mode eventually becoming the default for
.sgm[l] and .xml files. By all means keep sgml-mode as Bob suggests for
those occasions when it's needed, but rename it to something which makes
it clear that it's for help with matching pointy brackets and not the
full syntax.

///Peter




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  reply	other threads:[~2003-01-12 23:25 UTC|newest]

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2002-12-10  7:05                 ` Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters Karl Eichwalder
2002-12-10 13:20                   ` Stefan Monnier
2002-12-10 18:27                   ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-11 17:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-12  3:08                     ` Galen Boyer
2002-12-11 17:44                   ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-12  6:34                     ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-12-12  6:57                       ` Miles Bader
2002-12-12  7:53                         ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-12-12 20:32                           ` Kevin Rodgers
2002-12-13 18:22                       ` Lennart Staflin
2002-12-14 15:15                         ` Felix Gatzemeier
2002-12-15  7:28                           ` Karl Eichwalder
2002-12-16 16:42                             ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-15 23:39                         ` Richard Stallman
2002-12-16 22:07                           ` Peter Flynn
2002-12-16 22:48                             ` Stefan Monnier
2002-12-17 23:34                               ` Ron Ross
2003-01-11 20:10                                 ` [Psgml-devel] " Stefan Monnier
2003-01-12  0:53                                   ` Peter Flynn
2002-12-18  0:34                               ` Peter Flynn
2002-12-18  9:10                                 ` Kai Großjohann
2002-12-18 22:32                                   ` [Psgml-devel] " Peter Flynn
2002-12-19 22:52                                   ` Dave Love
2003-01-12  4:06                                 ` [Psgml-devel] " Miles Bader
2003-01-12 14:11                                   ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-01-12 14:29                                   ` Peter Flynn
2003-01-12 16:25                                     ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-01-12 23:25                                       ` Peter Flynn [this message]
2003-01-13 12:33                                         ` Robert J. Chassell
2003-01-14  6:02                                   ` Karl Eichwalder
2003-01-15 22:57                                     ` Peter Flynn
2003-01-15 23:32                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2003-01-16 21:00                                         ` [Psgml-devel] " Peter Flynn
2003-01-17 12:42                                           ` Robert J. Chassell
2002-12-19 22:50                             ` Dave Love
2002-12-31  8:00                               ` Adding PSGML to the Emacs CVS (Re: Key sequence C-c C-f C-e uses invalid prefix characters) Karl Eichwalder
2003-01-02 18:39                                 ` Richard Stallman
2003-01-11 19:53                                 ` Stefan Monnier

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