From: Ken Manheimer <ken.manheimer@gmail.com>
Cc: Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de>
Subject: Re: new version of allout.el - patch and ChangeLog
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 12:28:17 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <2cd46e7f0510010928v8244052k2a98375e38fdd2ed@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2cd46e7f0509301452l72c262d6l89efd6fb772f61b2@mail.gmail.com>
On 9/30/05, Ken Manheimer <ken.manheimer@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 9/30/05, Sascha Wilde <wilde@sha-bang.de> wrote:
> > On Fri, Sep 30, 2005 at 01:24:14PM -0400, Ken Manheimer wrote:
> > [...]
> > > topic encryption functionality depends on both mailcrypt and
> > > crypt++ packages. (non-encryption allout functionality is not
> > > disrupted if either mailcrypt or crypt++ are absent.)
> >
> > why do you relay on these packages, which aren't part of gnu emacs,
> > when we have pgg?
>
> good question - i wasn't aware of pgg. can you tell me more about it?
> i'd be very happy to find a single package that cleanly provides the
> encryption interface that allout needs!
andreas pointed me at pgg's bundling in gnus, for which gentoo has an
ebuild. i emerged it and got access to gpp and the info file. it
looks nice - clean - but appears to have the same drawback, for my
purposes, as mailcrypt. it will decrypt messages encoded with a
symmetric key, but provides no api for encrypting with a symmetric
key. that lack is a show-stopper for my purposes.
that mailcrypt and pgg would concentrate on public-key mode makes a
lot of sense, considering the ultimate purpose is encryption and/or
signing of messages to be exchanged between remote parties - email,
news, software packaging, etc. my primary concern for encryption in
allout is with conveniently securing notes for oneself. the lattitude
of symmetric keys offers much better convenience in that context.
i actually inquired on the mailcrypt developers list about the lack of
provision for symmetric-key encryption, and the general concensus was
that it just was an oversight, not a deliberate avoidance. i presume
(as i suggest above) because it's not useful for the message-exchange
realm.
it may well be that pgg is preferable, somehow, to mailcrypt - they
both offer similar functionality, including key caching, as well as
the lack of an interface for encrypting with a symmetric key. but the
changeover won't gain me anything i can yet see - i'll still need to
also use crypt++ for the symmetric key encoding. and the cost in
effort of switching from working code would not be trivial, so
until/unless i see a compelling gain, or someone else does the
integration (and convinces me that pgg is more widespread than
mailcrypt), i'm think i'm fine with mailcrypt.
ken
ken.manheimer@gmail.com
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2005-10-01 16:28 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 156+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-09-30 17:24 new version of allout.el - patch and ChangeLog Ken Manheimer
2005-09-30 21:06 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-09-30 21:52 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-01 8:20 ` Andreas Schwab
2005-10-01 12:41 ` Reiner Steib
2005-10-01 23:54 ` James Cloos
2005-10-01 16:28 ` Ken Manheimer [this message]
2005-10-02 10:48 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-02 14:23 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-02 20:31 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-03 19:25 ` pgg symmetric encryption patch (was: new version of allout.el - patch and ChangeLog) Sascha Wilde
2005-10-03 19:50 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-04 10:53 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-04 12:46 ` pgg symmetric encryption patch Stefan Monnier
2005-10-05 16:19 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-05 19:16 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-10 4:15 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-06 2:18 ` Daiki Ueno
2005-10-06 9:01 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-06 22:41 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-07 10:00 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-07 18:06 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-07 21:49 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-08 8:48 ` Simon Josefsson
2005-10-08 10:36 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-08 11:14 ` Simon Josefsson
2005-10-08 12:56 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-08 22:56 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-10 21:50 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-11 14:44 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-08 13:43 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-08 18:31 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-08 19:16 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-10 21:15 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-10 21:16 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-12 23:47 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-20 14:08 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-20 14:12 ` Simon Josefsson
2005-10-20 14:30 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-20 14:42 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-25 7:23 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-25 20:26 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-25 21:18 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-25 21:28 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-26 9:57 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-26 15:45 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-27 7:37 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-10-29 11:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-10-29 19:50 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-31 17:30 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-11-04 14:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2005-10-20 18:07 ` Relocating pgg*.el (was: pgg symmetric encryption patch) Reiner Steib
2005-10-20 22:22 ` Kim F. Storm
2005-10-21 4:49 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-20 23:38 ` pgg symmetric encryption patch Richard M. Stallman
2005-10-21 7:07 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-18 21:17 ` Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg Sascha Wilde
2006-03-18 23:30 ` Daniel Pittman
2006-03-19 0:46 ` Miles Bader
2006-03-19 3:45 ` Daniel Pittman
2006-03-19 18:28 ` Miles Bader
2006-03-19 9:49 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-19 17:30 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-21 14:32 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-21 21:29 ` Reiner Steib
2006-03-22 9:49 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 8:36 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22 9:16 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-22 9:48 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 11:03 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22 11:13 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 12:25 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 10:40 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 11:00 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:18 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 13:08 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-24 5:51 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26 0:29 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26 1:08 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26 3:29 ` Miles Bader
2006-03-26 5:06 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-26 17:05 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26 18:24 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-27 9:36 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:52 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 20:07 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-03-23 22:16 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05 9:13 ` pgg-gpg broken? Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05 9:42 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-05 10:18 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-05 21:33 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-06 9:00 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-06 9:21 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-06 9:58 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-06 10:13 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 10:32 ` gpg-agent support removed?! (was: pgg-gpg broken?) Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 12:11 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-07 12:14 ` gpg-agent support removed?! Romain Francoise
2006-04-07 13:00 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 13:30 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-04-07 20:59 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-08 9:36 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-08 10:05 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 12:35 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 13:02 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 13:08 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-07 13:26 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-09 16:04 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-04-10 18:04 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 13:40 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 14:05 ` Thomas Baumann
2006-04-07 14:40 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 15:45 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-07 20:55 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 21:22 ` Reiner Steib
2006-04-08 7:03 ` Thomas Baumann
2006-04-08 10:18 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-07 21:36 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-08 9:45 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-08 10:11 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-08 11:30 ` Romain Francoise
2006-04-08 11:58 ` Daiki Ueno
2006-04-10 18:04 ` PGG maintainance (was: gpg-agent support removed?!) Reiner Steib
2006-04-10 22:40 ` gpg-agent support removed?! Ken Manheimer
2006-04-08 22:34 ` Richard Stallman
2006-04-05 16:14 ` pgg-gpg broken? Reiner Steib
2006-04-05 19:22 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-22 9:46 ` Small patch to enable use of gpg-agent with pgg Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 16:13 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-22 23:01 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2006-03-22 23:45 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 0:58 ` Katsumi Yamaoka
2006-03-23 9:12 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 10:26 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 10:54 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 11:12 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 11:16 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:51 ` Reiner Steib
2006-03-23 13:07 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 13:10 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-23 12:00 ` Sascha Wilde
2006-03-23 13:00 ` Simon Josefsson
2006-03-26 18:11 ` Sascha Wilde
[not found] ` <m2wtels74l.fsf@kenny.sha-bang .de>
2006-03-23 23:09 ` Miles Bader
2006-04-02 0:30 ` Ken Manheimer
2006-04-02 8:28 ` Daiki Ueno
2005-12-09 15:43 ` pgg symmetric encryption patch Simon Josefsson
2005-12-09 20:30 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-09 20:31 ` Stefan Monnier
2005-12-10 4:13 ` Richard M. Stallman
2005-12-10 10:50 ` Simon Josefsson
2005-12-11 13:32 ` Sascha Wilde
2005-12-11 13:42 ` Simon Josefsson
2005-10-02 17:08 ` new version of allout.el - patch and ChangeLog Richard M. Stallman
[not found] ` <E1ELj0L-0000Pn-3T@fencepost.gnu.org>
2005-10-01 22:33 ` Ken Manheimer
2005-10-20 13:57 ` Ken Manheimer
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