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From: "Chong Yidong" <cyd@stupidchicken.com>
Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: require-hard-newlines to use newline
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:26:55 -0500 (EST)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2750.220.255.172.231.1109734015.squirrel@www.stupidchicken.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200503020302.j2232fR21722@raven.dms.auburn.edu>

(Sorry for leaving out a subject field)

>    Could this patch be checked in? When require-final-newlines is t, the
>    newline is inserted by (insert "\n"), which does not take
>    use-hard-newlines into account, so the newline is not marked as 'hard.
>
> Are you really _sure_ that a newline inserted by saving a buffer
> should be hard if use-hard-newlines is enabled?  I would guess that
> people might occasionally save their work to file while in the middle
> of a long paragraph, in which case the inserted newline should be
> soft.  I guess that if people want to mark the end of a paragraph
> before saving, they would explicitly type RET.
>
> What situation are you thinking of that would motivate making C-x C-s
> insert a hard newline?

As I see it, the rationale for turning on require-final-newline is that a
particular type of file should always end in a newline. The user should
type RET himself, but in case he forgets to do so, Emacs does it for him.
So (newline) should be used.

Nothing will go wrong when you save in the middle of a paragraph, since
the code inserts the newline inside a save-excursion. The hard newline
always goes *after* point, at the end of the buffer, where it won't get in
the way.

The specific problem I am trying to solve is with Longlines mode (which is
not part of Emacs.) It is, in principle, impossible for Longlines to
distinguish between the soft newline inserted by require-final-newline and
the soft newline inserted by filling when performing automatic line
wrapping. It therefore turns that newline into a space, with the effect
that buffer-modified-p is always t if you try to save a Longlines buffer
with require-final-newline.

  reply	other threads:[~2005-03-02  3:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 60+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-03-02  2:26 (no subject) Chong Yidong
2005-03-02  3:02 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-02  3:26   ` Chong Yidong [this message]
2005-03-02  3:55     ` require-hard-newlines to use newline Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-03  2:29     ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-03  2:49       ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-03 20:57         ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-03 22:32           ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-04  0:33             ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-04  0:56               ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-04  1:40                 ` Miles Bader
2005-03-04  6:02                   ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-04  9:55                     ` David Kastrup
2005-03-04 23:46                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-08  0:05                     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08  2:10                       ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-08  3:09                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08  4:28                         ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08 15:45                           ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08 16:42                             ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-08 18:04                               ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-08 18:12                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08 19:02                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-08 18:26                                 ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08 16:03                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-08 16:39                         ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-09  9:45                           ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11  1:46                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-11  9:10                             ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 10:25                               ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-11 13:03                                 ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 14:32                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-11 14:57                                     ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-11 15:08                                       ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 15:28                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-11 15:13                                       ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 15:30                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-11 16:11                                         ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 17:32                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-12  2:40                                             ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-11 22:29                                           ` Kim F. Storm
2005-03-12  2:23                                             ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-12 22:16                                   ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-12 23:53                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2005-03-14  3:00                                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-13  6:14                                     ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-14  3:00                                       ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-14  3:42                                         ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-15 18:39                                           ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-12 22:16                               ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-04 23:45             ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-05  2:03               ` Chong Yidong
2005-03-06  0:41                 ` Richard Stallman
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2005-03-06  2:18 Chong Yidong
2005-03-07  5:02 ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-07 10:45   ` Oliver Scholz
2005-03-08  0:50     ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08  1:43       ` Luc Teirlinck
2005-03-08  2:52     ` Richard Stallman
2005-03-08  1:31   ` Luc Teirlinck

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