add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Stephen Leake]

Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net> writes:

>> Which brings me to: could someone look into extending the
>> `other-frame-window` GNU ELPA package so it also works on tabs?
>
> I could help the author 

That's me

> of `other-frame-window` to extend it with tabs. It uses these
> prefixes:
>
> C-x 7  -  other-window
> C-x 9  -  other-frame
>
> But I don't know what prefix to propose for other-tab.
> There are no more digits available on the C-x prefix.

I always bind different keys for the prefix anyway (M-m other-window,
M-M other-frame); we could just define the functions and not choose a
default binding.

Or use C-x t; that's free.

-- 
-- Stephe

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Stephen Leake <stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org>
> Date: Sun, 06 Oct 2019 15:58:30 -0700
> 
> Or use C-x t; that's free.

Yes, why don't we do that?  Juri?

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Juri Linkov]

>>> Which brings me to: could someone look into extending the
>>> `other-frame-window` GNU ELPA package so it also works on tabs?
>>
>> I could help the author
>
> That's me

Glad to help you on extending the package with tabs.

>> of `other-frame-window` to extend it with tabs. It uses these
>> prefixes:
>>
>> C-x 7  -  other-window
>> C-x 9  -  other-frame
>>
>> But I don't know what prefix to propose for other-tab.
>> There are no more digits available on the C-x prefix.
>
> I always bind different keys for the prefix anyway (M-m other-window,
> M-M other-frame); we could just define the functions and not choose a
> default binding.
>
> Or use C-x t; that's free.

I like it, 'C-x t' has nice mnemonics, and on a Qwerty keyboard
't' is located near '6', so 'C-x t' is not harder to type than 'C-x 6',
but let's hear more opinions before changing 'C-x 6' to 'C-x t'.

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Date: Mon, 07 Oct 2019 23:14:27 +0300
> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> 
> > Or use C-x t; that's free.
> 
> I like it, 'C-x t' has nice mnemonics, and on a Qwerty keyboard
> 't' is located near '6', so 'C-x t' is not harder to type than 'C-x 6',
> but let's hear more opinions before changing 'C-x 6' to 'C-x t'.

Agreed.  How about changing to "C-x t" if no one brings up serious
objections within a week?

RE: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Drew Adams]

jl>> C-x 7  -  other-window
jl>> C-x 9  -  other-frame
jl>> But I don't know what prefix to propose for other-tab.
jl>> There are no more digits available on the C-x prefix.

sl> I always bind different keys for the prefix anyway
sl> (M-m other-window, M-M other-frame); we could just
sl> define the functions and not choose a default binding.
sl> Or use C-x t; that's free.

"We could just define the functions and not choose
a default binding."

Yes, that's preferable to sacrificing `C-x t' as a
default binding.

Define the commands.  Define keys for them in a
keymap.  But don't bind the keymap to any prefix
key by default.

sm> The choice of a useful yet "safe" default is
sm> not obvious, indeed.
sm> But users can decide to use C-x 3, C-x 6, C-x 5
sm> or whatever they fee like.

Yes, let users decide.

Define a keymap variable, to make it easy to use a
prefix key, but don't bind any prefix key by default.

What's wrong with that?

jl>> but let's hear more opinions before changing
jl>> 'C-x 6' to 'C-x t'.

ez> Agreed.  How about changing to "C-x t" if no one
ez> brings up serious objections within a week?

How about serious supporting arguments?
Have there been any?

FWIW, I don't like the idea.  There's nothing
"free" about `C-x t'.  It doesn't have a default
binding; that's all.  And that's a good thing.

Let users and libraries have it, without them
needing to override standard Emacs default
bindings.  Likewise, other `C-x' keys (`C-x 6'
etc.).

(Just one opinion.)

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Juri Linkov]

>> > Or use C-x t; that's free.
>> 
>> I like it, 'C-x t' has nice mnemonics, and on a Qwerty keyboard
>> 't' is located near '6', so 'C-x t' is not harder to type than 'C-x 6',
>> but let's hear more opinions before changing 'C-x 6' to 'C-x t'.
>
> Agreed.  How about changing to "C-x t" if no one brings up serious
> objections within a week?

I enabled ‘C-x t’ in master (in addition to ‘C-x 6’) to allow everyone
to try a new keybinding during the next week of transition period
before removing ‘C-x 6’.

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2019 01:46:46 +0300
> 
> I enabled ‘C-x t’ in master (in addition to ‘C-x 6’) to allow everyone
> to try a new keybinding during the next week of transition period
> before removing ‘C-x 6’.

Thanks.  I think we should adjust our documentation to this change, at
the end of the week at the latest.

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Juri Linkov]

>> I enabled ‘C-x t’ in master (in addition to ‘C-x 6’) to allow everyone
>> to try a new keybinding during the next week of transition period
>> before removing ‘C-x 6’.
>
> Thanks.  I think we should adjust our documentation to this change, at
> the end of the week at the latest.

So I removed ‘C-x 6’ in favor of ‘C-x t’ and adjusted the documentation.

Re: add Tab to ELPA other-frame-window

[Eli Zaretskii]

> From: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>
> Cc: stephen_leake@stephe-leake.org,  emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 01:07:06 +0300
> 
> >> I enabled ‘C-x t’ in master (in addition to ‘C-x 6’) to allow everyone
> >> to try a new keybinding during the next week of transition period
> >> before removing ‘C-x 6’.
> >
> > Thanks.  I think we should adjust our documentation to this change, at
> > the end of the week at the latest.
> 
> So I removed ‘C-x 6’ in favor of ‘C-x t’ and adjusted the documentation.

Thank you.