* broken greek support?
@ 2003-09-27 5:42 Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-27 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2003-09-27 5:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
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[CVS 2003-09-23]
With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
What has happened here?
Additionally, look at the `Bx' row: In spite of using a monospaced
font, the glyphs are gradually shifted to the right.
Werner
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-27 5:42 broken greek support? Werner LEMBERG
@ 2003-09-27 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-28 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-28 23:34 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-09-27 15:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
> [CVS 2003-09-23]
>
> With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
> characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
> What has happened here?
The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken. Don't use them.
Andreas.
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-27 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2003-09-28 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-29 0:27 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-28 23:34 ` Richard Stallman
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From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2003-09-28 4:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
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> > With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7,
> > many characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6,
> > etc. What has happened here?
>
> The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken. Don't use them.
Indeed. I haven't known that. Anyway, look at the attached image of
an ETL font. Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
Within `emacs -q' I did
(defvar fontset-24
"-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
(create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
to set up the font.
Werner
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-28 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG
@ 2003-09-29 0:27 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 11:17 ` Werner LEMBERG
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From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-09-29 0:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: schwab, emacs-devel
In article <20030928.063915.240498167.wl@gnu.org>, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
>> The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken. Don't use them.
> Indeed. I haven't known that. Anyway, look at the attached image of
> an ETL font. Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
> Within `emacs -q' I did
> (defvar fontset-24
> "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
> (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
> to set up the font.
Strange. With the font
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
C-u C-x =.
---
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handa@m17n.org
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 0:27 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-09-29 11:17 ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-29 11:41 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 12:02 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2003-09-29 11:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: schwab, emacs-devel
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> > Indeed. I haven't known that. Anyway, look at the attached image of
> > an ETL font. Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
>
> > Within `emacs -q' I did
>
> > (defvar fontset-24
> > "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
> > (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
>
> > to set up the font.
>
> Strange. With the font
> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
> get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>
> Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
> C-u C-x =.
See attached image. I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
bootstrap' from today's CVS).
For reference again my platform info is below.
Werner
======================================================================
`uname -a' gives
Linux orion 2.4.10-4GB #1 Tue Nov 20 21:34:46 CET 2001 i686 unknown
`ldd emacs' gives
libXaw3d.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw3d.so.7 (0x40016000)
libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x4006d000)
libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40083000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x400d0000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x400da000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x400f2000)
libtiff.so.3 => /usr/lib/libtiff.so.3 (0x4010d000)
libjpeg.so.62 => /usr/lib/libjpeg.so.62 (0x40150000)
libpng.so.2 => /usr/lib/libpng.so.2 (0x4016f000)
libz.so.1 => /lib/libz.so.1 (0x401a1000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401b0000)
libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x401d2000)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401e1000)
libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x402a1000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x402eb000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40412000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
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^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 11:17 ` Werner LEMBERG
@ 2003-09-29 11:41 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 12:02 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-09-29 11:41 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: schwab, emacs-devel
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In article <20030929.131753.41181942.wl@gnu.org>, Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
> See attached image. I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
> bootstrap' from today's CVS).
Very strange. Are you sure that your ETL greek font:
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7
has "single quote"-like glyph at 0xA2?
The result of my Emacs is as attached.
---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 11:17 ` Werner LEMBERG
2003-09-29 11:41 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-09-29 12:02 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-29 12:34 ` Kenichi Handa
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-09-29 12:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel, handa
Werner LEMBERG <wl@gnu.org> writes:
>> > Indeed. I haven't known that. Anyway, look at the attached image of
>> > an ETL font. Here I *definitely* know that the font is correct :-)
>>
>> > Within `emacs -q' I did
>>
>> > (defvar fontset-24
>> > "-*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-24-*-*-*-*-*-fontset-24")
>> > (create-fontset-from-fontset-spec fontset-24)
>>
>> > to set up the font.
>>
>> Strange. With the font
>> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
>> get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>>
>> Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
>> C-u C-x =.
>
> See attached image. I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
> bootstrap' from today's CVS).
Don't use -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
either, it's broken too. Only the greek fonts that are part of the
intlfonts collection are working correctly.
(On a SuSE system, this font is part of the xfntgreek package. Most of
the fonts included here are actually wrongly encoded, we should really
consider removing them.)
Andreas.
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 12:02 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2003-09-29 12:34 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 13:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-29 19:51 ` Werner LEMBERG
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From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-09-29 12:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: wl, emacs-devel
In article <jewubrkdka.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>>> Strange. With the font
>>> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7, I
>>> get the correct output from M-x list-charset-chars.
>>>
>>> Please check which font is used for, for instance, 0xA2 by
>>> C-u C-x =.
>>
>> See attached image. I've just recompiled Emacs (with `make
>> bootstrap' from today's CVS).
> Don't use -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
> either, it's broken too. Only the greek fonts that are part of the
> intlfonts collection are working correctly.
> (On a SuSE system, this font is part of the xfntgreek package. Most of
> the fonts included here are actually wrongly encoded, we should really
> consider removing them.)
Oops, I now see. I haven't notice the difference of font
names in Werner's and mine.
Intlfonts contains these Greek fonts:
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--14-140-72-72-C-70-ISO8859-7
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--16-160-72-72-C-80-ISO8859-7
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-240-72-72-C-120-ISO8859-7
they are all correct.
Xfntgreek package contains this font:
-ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
Right? :-(
Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
package in face-ignored-fonts? Or, are there any chance
that the package is fixed soon?
---
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handa@m17n.org
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 12:34 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-09-29 13:21 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-10-02 1:25 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 19:51 ` Werner LEMBERG
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-09-29 13:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: wl, emacs-devel
Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
> Xfntgreek package contains this font:
> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
> which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>
> Right? :-(
Yes, unfortunately.
> Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
> package in face-ignored-fonts?
This would be the best fix, IMHO.
Andreas.
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 13:21 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2003-10-02 1:25 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-02 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
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From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-10-02 1:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: wl, emacs-devel
In article <jefzifk9x6.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>> Xfntgreek package contains this font:
>> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
>> which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>>
>> Right? :-(
> Yes, unfortunately.
>> Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>> package in face-ignored-fonts?
> This would be the best fix, IMHO.
Ok, I'll do that. Please give me the list of font names to
be registered in face-ignored-fonts.
---
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 1:25 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-10-02 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-10-02 10:59 ` Kenichi Handa
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From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-10-02 10:03 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
> In article <jefzifk9x6.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>
>> Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
>>> Xfntgreek package contains this font:
>>> -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7
>>> which is different from any of intlfonts' fonts, and is broken.
>>>
>>> Right? :-(
>
>> Yes, unfortunately.
>
>>> Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>>> package in face-ignored-fonts?
>
>> This would be the best fix, IMHO.
>
> Ok, I'll do that. Please give me the list of font names to
> be registered in face-ignored-fonts.
These are all the broken fonts that are included in the package:
-adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-couriergr-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-adobe-helveticagr-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-77-iso8859-7
-elot-fixed-bold-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-elot-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-7
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-bold-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-bold-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-medium-i-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-graphis-grarial-medium-r-normal--0-0-0-0-p-0-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--14-140-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--18-180-75-75-m-110-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-courier-medium-r-normal--24-240-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-69-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-69-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-104-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-104-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-220-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-220-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-292-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--50-480-75-75-p-292-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-390-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-o-normal--66-640-75-75-p-390-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-p-70-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--14-140-75-75-p-82-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--17-170-75-75-p-92-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--18-180-75-75-p-103-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--24-240-75-75-p-138-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-211-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--37-360-75-75-p-211-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-297-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-297-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-396-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--66-640-75-75-p-396-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-bold-r-normal--8-80-75-75-p-50-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--10-100-75-75-p-60-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--12-120-75-75-p-67-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--14-140-75-75-p-78-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--18-180-75-75-p-98-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--24-240-75-75-p-130-iso8859-7
-greek-helvetica-medium-o-normal--37-360-75-75-p-209-iso8859-7
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-hrnet&hcr-grtex-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-p-287-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--10-100-75-75-m-50-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--11-80-100-100-m-60-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-60-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--14-100-100-100-m-70-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--15-140-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--17-120-100-100-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--17-160-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--19-140-100-100-m-100-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--19-180-75-75-m-90-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--21-200-75-75-m-100-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--22-160-100-100-m-120-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--25-180-100-100-m-130-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--25-240-75-75-m-130-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--28-200-100-100-m-150-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--31-300-75-75-m-150-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--33-240-100-100-m-170-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--37-360-75-75-m-190-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--42-300-100-100-m-220-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--50-360-100-100-m-260-iso8859-7
-hrnet&hcr-grtt-medium-r-normal--50-480-75-75-m-260-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso8859-7
-misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-80-iso8859-7
-misc-grfixeda-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-7
Andreas.
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 10:03 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2003-10-02 10:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-02 11:34 ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-02 18:36 ` Kevin Rodgers
0 siblings, 2 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-10-02 10:59 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
In article <jesmmc553b.fsf@sykes.suse.de>, Andreas Schwab <schwab@suse.de> writes:
>>>> Hmmm, then, should we register the Greek font in xfntgreek
>>>> package in face-ignored-fonts?
>>
>>> This would be the best fix, IMHO.
>>
>> Ok, I'll do that. Please give me the list of font names to
>> be registered in face-ignored-fonts.
> These are all the broken fonts that are included in the package:
> -adobe-couriergr-bold-r-normal--12-120-75-75-m-70-iso8859-7
[...]
Oops, that many! We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
big. Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.
What do the other people think?
---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 10:59 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-10-02 11:34 ` Jason Rumney
2003-10-02 18:36 ` Kevin Rodgers
1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Jason Rumney @ 2003-10-02 11:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: schwab, emacs-devel
Kenichi Handa wrote:
> Oops, that many! We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
> big. Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
> package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.
I agree. If we add them to face-ignored-fonts, then if the package
gets fixed they still cannot be used (easily).
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 10:59 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-02 11:34 ` Jason Rumney
@ 2003-10-02 18:36 ` Kevin Rodgers
2003-10-02 23:14 ` Kenichi Handa
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Kevin Rodgers @ 2003-10-02 18:36 UTC (permalink / raw)
Kenichi Handa wrote:
> Oops, that many! We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
> big. Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
> package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.
But each element of face-ignored-fonts is a regexp, so it could be kept
relatively small. There are only 15 foundry-family combinations in
Andreas' list.
--
Kevin Rodgers
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 18:36 ` Kevin Rodgers
@ 2003-10-02 23:14 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-10-03 16:05 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Kenichi Handa @ 2003-10-02 23:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: emacs-devel
In article <3F7C702A.2040008@yahoo.com>, Kevin Rodgers <ihs_4664@yahoo.com> writes:
> Kenichi Handa wrote:
>> Oops, that many! We shuldn't make face-ignored-fonts that
>> big. Now I think it's better to suggest not to use that
>> package in etc/PROBLEMS or etc/FAQ.
> But each element of face-ignored-fonts is a regexp, so it could be kept
> relatively small. There are only 15 foundry-family combinations in
> Andreas' list.
Yes, but, if we make a list of regular expressions that
matches ONLY with those fonts, I think the list is still too
long. And, if we make a more condensed list something like
below (though I think it's still too long):
"-adove-\\(coureer\\|helvetica\\)gr"
"-elot-fixed-.*-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--14-130-75-75-c-70-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-80-iso8859-7"
"-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7"
"-graphis-grarial"
"-greek"
"-grinet"
"-hrnet&hcr-grt"
"-misc-\\(gr\\)?fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-[68]0-iso8859-7"
They may match with wrong fonts (i.e. fonts that should not
be ignored).
One more thing I noticed is that at least
-etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
has correct glyphs for Greek alphabets. If people use that
font only for Greek alphabets, it seems that they get
correct displaying.
---
Ken'ichi HANDA
handa@m17n.org
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-10-02 23:14 ` Kenichi Handa
@ 2003-10-03 16:05 ` Andreas Schwab
0 siblings, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-10-03 16:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: ihs_4664, emacs-devel
Kenichi Handa <handa@m17n.org> writes:
> One more thing I noticed is that at least
> -etl-fixed-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-120-iso8859-7
> has correct glyphs for Greek alphabets. If people use that
> font only for Greek alphabets, it seems that they get
> correct displaying.
That is actually the case with every font on my list.
Andreas.
--
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SuSE Linux AG, Deutschherrnstr. 15-19, D-90429 Nürnberg
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* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-29 12:34 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-09-29 13:21 ` Andreas Schwab
@ 2003-09-29 19:51 ` Werner LEMBERG
1 sibling, 0 replies; 20+ messages in thread
From: Werner LEMBERG @ 2003-09-29 19:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: schwab, emacs-devel
> > Don't use
> > -ETL-Fixed-Medium-R-Normal--24-170-100-100-C-120-ISO8859-7 either,
> > it's broken too. Only the greek fonts that are part of the
> > intlfonts collection are working correctly.
Thanks a lot! It never occurred to me that I have two ETL fonts for
Greek (as you can see, I'm using SuSE :-) Please follow Andreas's
advice and make Emacs ignore that font.
Werner
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread
* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-27 15:51 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-28 4:39 ` Werner LEMBERG
@ 2003-09-28 23:34 ` Richard Stallman
2003-09-29 9:42 ` Andreas Schwab
1 sibling, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Richard Stallman @ 2003-09-28 23:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: wl, emacs-devel
> With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
> characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
> What has happened here?
The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken. Don't use them.
Can anyone suggest a specific positive recommendation?
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 20+ messages in thread* Re: broken greek support?
2003-09-28 23:34 ` Richard Stallman
@ 2003-09-29 9:42 ` Andreas Schwab
2003-09-30 12:22 ` Richard Stallman
0 siblings, 1 reply; 20+ messages in thread
From: Andreas Schwab @ 2003-09-29 9:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
Cc: wl, emacs-devel
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> writes:
> > With `emacs -q', doing a list-charset-chars for greek-iso8859-7, many
> > characters are wrong, cf. positions 0xA2, 0xA4, 0xA5, 0xA6, etc.
> > What has happened here?
>
> The -Greek-* fonts are simply broken. Don't use them.
>
> Can anyone suggest a specific positive recommendation?
The ETL fonts from the intlfonts collection are ok.
Andreas.
--
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