unofficial mirror of emacs-devel@gnu.org 
 help / color / mirror / code / Atom feed
From: "Stefan Monnier" <monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu>
Cc: monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu
Subject: Re: Cyrillic vs UTF-8
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 20:52:29 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200305190052.h4J0qUfa017404@rum.cs.yale.edu> (raw)
In-Reply-To: 200305190040.JAA01942@etlken.m17n.org

> > Agreed, but I think one of the problems is that the preference-ordering
> > is the same for load-time-detection as it is for save-time-detection,
> > so if you move utf-8 up for detection you end up saving all new files
> > in utf-8 which is not OK in non-utf-8 locales.
> > I suggested introducing a second preference-order, but nothing came
> > out of it (probably because I didn't code anything up).
> 
> I'd like to avoid introducing a new mechanism to control a
> coding system as far as possible.  And, the second
> preference-order (used for saving) works only in this case:
> 
> (1) The buffer file coding system can't encode the current
>     buffer, and
> (2) The most preferred coding system can encode the current
>     buffer, and
> (3) A user doesn't want to use the most preferred one.
> 
> Isn't it a very rare case?

Maybe it is.  In my situation, I'd like utf-8 to be at the top
of the preferences w.r.t decoding because it virtually never
guesses wrong.
OTOH, I'm still using a mostly-latin-1 environment, so I'd
still rather avoid utf-8 when I can.  I.e. latin-1 should be at
the top of my preferences w.r.t encoding.

I.e. utf-8 is definitely not my most preferred encoding, but
since Emacs will often mistake a utf-8 text for latin-1 whereas
it virtually never mistakes a latin-1 text for utf-8, I do
put utf-8 as my most preferred encoding (and then try not to
forget to do C-x RET f when saving a new file).


	Stefan

  reply	other threads:[~2003-05-19  0:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 55+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-04-25 16:12 Cyrillic vs UTF-8 Simon Josefsson
2003-04-25 16:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-04-25 17:09   ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-25 22:39     ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-04-26  8:11     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-04-26 12:25       ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-28  9:18         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-04-28 11:11           ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-26 16:21       ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-04-26 16:27         ` Benjamin Riefenstahl
2003-04-28  4:38       ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-01  8:27         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-02  7:06           ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-02 21:51             ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-03 13:37               ` Juanma Barranquero
2003-05-03 19:04                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2003-05-04 13:03               ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-04 11:04           ` Dave Love
2003-05-04 12:01             ` Simon Josefsson
2003-05-04 17:13               ` Dave Love
2003-05-04 18:03                 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-05-05  8:47             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-04-26 13:44     ` Richard Stallman
2003-04-26 14:10       ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-28 21:49     ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-28 22:29       ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-29 13:49         ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-29 14:27           ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-30  4:42             ` Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-30  5:43           ` Richard Stallman
2003-05-19  0:40       ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-19  0:52         ` Stefan Monnier [this message]
2003-05-19  2:31           ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-19 13:28             ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-19 13:49               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-04-25 16:54 ` Simon Josefsson
2003-04-26  3:55   ` Implementing charset-aware X font names [was: Cyrillic vs UTF-8] Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-04-28 11:09     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-04-28 12:27       ` Implementing charset-aware X font names Stephen J. Turnbull
2003-05-01 11:13         ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-01 14:14           ` Alex Schroeder
2003-05-01 23:16             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-04-26  7:59   ` Cyrillic vs UTF-8 Kenichi Handa
2003-04-26 12:14     ` Simon Josefsson
2003-05-01  7:20       ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-01 14:06         ` Alex Schroeder
2003-05-01 18:03         ` Customizing fontsets (was: Cyrillic vs UTF-8) Oliver Scholz
2003-05-02  5:17           ` Customizing fontsets Alex Schroeder
2003-05-02  6:32             ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-02 13:25               ` Stefan Monnier
2003-05-03  0:40               ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-03  1:50                 ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-03 12:08                   ` Oliver Scholz
2003-05-07  1:22                     ` Kenichi Handa
2003-05-03  0:33             ` Oliver Scholz

Reply instructions:

You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:

* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
  and reply-to-all from there: mbox

  Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style

  List information: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
  switches of git-send-email(1):

  git send-email \
    --in-reply-to=200305190052.h4J0qUfa017404@rum.cs.yale.edu \
    --to=monnier+gnu/emacs@rum.cs.yale.edu \
    /path/to/YOUR_REPLY

  https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html

* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
  via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line before the message body.
Code repositories for project(s) associated with this public inbox

	https://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git

This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox;
as well as URLs for read-only IMAP folder(s) and NNTP newsgroup(s).